Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

Are you calling the people in Jewish community that have concerns about the marches sociopaths?

or

Just the mumsneters on this thread?

Who knew that expressing concerns about antisemitism displayed at the marches and rising antisemitism in general means you’re a sociopath who expects people to support genocide to prove they don’t hate Jews? Or that being Jewish and concerned about rising antisemitism means you’re too scared to leave your house because you’re living in fear of an agenda being pushed by the far right media (who’s that?) and Pro-Israeli people (who're they?). Agendas are definitely way scarier than actual antisemites.

I feel so much better now I know I’m just a sociopathic scaredy cat with unreasonable expectations.

Why do you presume because people have concerns about the protests and marches they are don't care about Gazen civilians?

The two things are not binded to each other.

It is perfectly possible and is definitely true of most the people I know that they hate the marches and protests because they just divide communities, spread hate and really are not going to change UK or Israeli governments actions, so are pointless. At the same time they most people do not like the deaths of Gazen civilians and want this whole situation to end straight away.

You have opinions about what you think peoples views are. You don't actually know what people think. There is a difference

(Plus seriously anyone that is still using the words Zionist or Zionism is uneducated about what the word means. Also just lapping up anti Jew and anti Israeli social media crap. Most people realised in 2021 the whole Zionist devil thing was just a way of Jew haters trying to not be caught being fuckwits. If you want people to take you seriously drop the words and just say who you mean eg Israeli government, Israel, Jewish people or whatever)

No, I don’t think that, but I do think that “soulless Zionists” is straight out of the Russian pogrom/Nazi propaganda/Protocols of the Elders of Zion playbook.

I don’t think you’ve read the posts properly.

“Can you really look at parents carrying their dead children or a child crying because they have lost their entire family and think that anyone who objects to that must hate Jews”
This is a ridiculous thing to say.

The marches only openly acknowledge the suffering of one side/ community ( in terms of the placards and chants etc) The Israeli government is blamed but the Hamas led government in Gaza is not condemned on the marches.

It is possible to want a ceasefire, to want the Israeli hostages safely returned to their loved ones, to want Palestinians to feel they have hope and a future, to want a Hamas- free life for Palestinians and to want Israelis to feel protected from further terrorist atrocities.

I went to my local city centre and there were a group of people there holding images of the hostages. I could ask why do these people that care about the plight of the hostages not also ask at the same time for the Israeli government to release the many hundreds of Palestinians held without charge amongst them children? This is not anything new but has been happening for years. Why so one sided?

Absolutely. The one sidedness is too simplistic. People are suffering on both sides.

Did you ask them? Engage with them? Find out about their purpose, their approach, their reasoning?

Or just judge?

And to want Israel to stop illegally and violently expanding its territory and throwing Palestinians out of their homes.

Someone with some courage actually spoke up. I’ve seen this behavior all over Mumsnet for the past 2 months.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/29/steinberg-weaponizing-antisemitism/

Rolling my eyes

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/29/kalimi-mansell-jewish-grief/

Desertrose2023
I’d be interested in your view on this article from the same publication- The Harvard Crimson .
Do you think the article makes some valid points?

A good article, making a different point to the one I made. It validates what I am saying but adds a further/different perspective:

final para:

We are not blind to the fact that charges of antisemitism have been politicized and weaponized to silence criticism of Israel — including silencing calls for a ceasefire.
However, it has been truly disheartening to see that amidst the heightened tensions on our own campus, some of our peers have neglected to extend to Jewish and Israeli students the compassion, understanding, and humanity that we all deserve.

Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread, but I do worry about the sociopaths in our midst who think that the only reason people go to march against the carpet-bombing of 2 million people is out of hatred for another sector of society. I mean, what the actual fuck is going on in their minds? To prove that you don't hate Jews, you have to support the genocide of Palestinians. What if I am against genocide in general?

I am referring to soulless Zionists, be they Christians, Jewish or Atheists. I follow lots of Jews who object to what is being done in their name.

I'm a Zionist and refuse to go on marches that have demonstrable pro-Hamas and antisemitic elements and leave me feeling very, very uncomfortable. I'm also pro-ceasefire and am pretty critical of the Israeli govt. So I'm quite amused, shocked even, to hear I'm a soulless sociopath.

Incidentally, I haven't seen one person on this thread say "the only reason people go to march...is out of hatred for another sector of society". Not one. So stop making things up for drama.

Anyway, brb, going to check if my husband also thinks I'm a soulless sociopath. He's certainly never mentioned it before and seems to think all told I'm a pretty decent person.

Yes it does. I don’t believe the two articles contradict each other but they complement each other

Same. I can see we're going down the 'good Jew bad Jew' road again.

I do think that “soulless Zionists” is straight out of the Russian pogrom/Nazi propaganda/Protocols of the Elders of Zion playbook

Another person who thinks that anyone who opposes the genocide is doing it out of hatred for another group of people.

Student paper I believe from the university with this person as their head

You are literally joking with us now I believe because after the fuckwittery from her a few weeks ago, not to mention what Jewish students have gone through on campus in the last few months there you must be joking with this.

Nope, not joking. Go back to rolling your eyes and I’ll continue searching for fucks to give.

Yep

Though I think the poster is literally messing with us. A student newspaper from Harvard after all the fuckwittery that went on a few weeks ago. Plus the reports of Jewish students on campus being harassed, physically assaulted etc since the pogrom. Not to mention the ongoing problem of antisemitism Harvard had before the pogrom.

I don’t think anyone on this thread has denied the suffering of the people of Gaza. I would just ask that the Marches that demand a ceasefire from the Israeli government also condemn the Hamas atrocities and demand the release of the remaining Israeli hostages .
Why is this position anti Palestinian or Sociopathic …. ?

Maybe it sounds naive but why do we have to take sides?
Why can’t we ask for a ceasefire, justice for Palestinians , removal of Hamas and security for Israel ?

Searching for what because you are searching the Internet for more than fucks obviously

To prove Jewish people make up antisemitism?

To make a point you are right and Israel is the cause of all evils towards Jewish people at the moment?

You do realise antisemitism has existed for longer than the Jewish state. That even when Israel is not involved Jewish people in this country have to put up with crap from pretty much the same type of people that are having fun ramping things up a few levels now. I seriously have no idea what you are try to prove here and it is very distasteful if it is the good/bad jew thing. Just a warning that is going to go down like the titanic.