Are any Palestinians calling for hostage release / Hamas to stop fighting?

[Meadowgrasses]

This question is not about whether they should or should not be. But if we are hearing all Palestinian voices - it’s so hard to tell from the media. I imagine there must be people who just want it all to stop and don’t think keeping the hostages is in ordinary Gazan’s interests, or who do not support their government but I haven’t heard any - it may well be that I’ve just missed it, but is it something that’s being under reported?

@EnoughIsay No, I was referring to a poster who had her - very white supremacist - post deleted.

Unfortunately Palestinians are rather occupied at the moment trying to survive genocide.

How can you write that Jews are not allowed a homeland when Jews have a homeland.

How can you write that Jews are not allowed a homeland when power of the United States and most of the powerful countries in the European Union stand with Israel.

How can you write that Jews are not allowed a homeland when the Untied States government, no matter which party is in power, give Israel $3.8 BILLION PER YEAR?

What are you talking about exactly when you say that the Jews are the only ethnic group in the world who are not allowed a homeland. That’s racism.

I do not accept your racisim claim against me. Argue the point - do not cast shadows on my character.

Lots of ethnic groups do not have a homeland but I am glad Israel exists and I support it. Lost of countries are made up of people from all kinds of origins (not least the Celts and Anglo Saxons and no doubt many others amongst the 67m of us in the UK).

Hamas may be regretting the day it started this but it will have to live with the consequences.

@feralunderclass they were all living there both Jews and Palestinians can be traced as far as the Canaanite both archaeologically and genetically.

@localnotail - this post is so heartbreaking and a good illustration of why the Palestinians are being targeted in such an inhumane way by the Israeli government right now.

OK.

Thank you.

I did ask Mumsnet to have a look though so if they delete your post that is why.

I apologise for the confusion.

Yep, it’s posts like this that confirm that Israel will not stop the genocides until it has taken over all of the Palestinian land. That’s its first and last priority.

The pro Palestinian supporters don't condemn Hamas they believe Palestine were backed into a corner and are justified for their actions no matter how barbaric.( freedom fighters). They want a ceasefire as Israel are too powerful and have the support from the majority of strong countries. If Palestine were wiping out Israel there would be no protests for a ceasefire or worrying about civilian casualties.

I'm not disputing this at all. But the fact remains that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were actually physically living there, have been displaced in order to move in Jewish people who had never lived there. 20,000+ new Jewish immigrants arrive in Israel every year. In order to justify this you need to admit that the state of Israel is a racist, apartheid one. It eliminates one ethnicity in order to make space for the other.

@EnoughIsay Ah, it's been deleted but no harm done. I genuinely didn't direct it towards you!

I'm afraid so.

How did Israeli's become so brutalized?

The UK and europe in recent years has produced many terrorist jihadis, what reason did they have to be unhappy?

Your view is simplistic and foolish.

Why do you say this If Palestine were wiping out Israel there would be no protests for a ceasefire or worrying about civilian casualties. @always2tired ?

The actions of world leaders and most populations after the October attacks say something entirely different.

The US president got on a plane and went to visit. The EU, and majority of countries in it, unreservedly backed Israel and it's right to defnd itself. As did most of the poopulations.

Your statement is really disturbing to me. It almost reads like people are being brain washed into this belief that nobody cares, against all rational analysis of what actually happened.

30 days later, two million displaced people, tens of thouands dead, air bombing campaign, ground invasion, no food, no water, NO WITNESSES, and YES - people start to turn away in disgust.

Because IT IS TOO MUCH.

Look I am glad we managed to clear it up between us and, once it was explained to me, I understood.

I am sorry for that confusion, and sorry I hit report so quickly - I got techy.

It is a pity the mess under discussion could not be cleared up so easily.

Take care!

@EnoughIsay Thank you. I should have worded it better so that'll teach me! :)

The EU has had very few jihadis or bombings in the last two decades in porpotion to it's population.

Considering the scale of immigration of traumatized people from war zones the EU has done very well.

(I am obviously not saying there is none).

The posters view is not as simplistic and foolish as you think. Most people, given a shot at dignity, take it.

The EU has had very few jihadis or bombings in the last two decades in porpotion to it's population.

Are you aware of the huge resources being pumped into preventing home grown terrorists? The resources that went into fighting Isis, etc? There is a constant threat of Islamic extremism across Europe. The currently threat of a terrorist attack is ‘substantial’ in the UK. https://www.mi5.gov.uk/threat-levels

I find that your views are equally simplistic and foolish.

@MonsieurCrapeau
There's nothing wrong with wanting to have a homeland for the Jewish people. But why does it have to be at the expense of another nation of people? Why do the Palestinian people need to suffer and be dispossessed?

When the Balfour Declaration was issued by the British Government in 1917 announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, it stated that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". That was not respected, and here we are today.

@Meadowgrasses
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czo12qMtUOI/?igshid=MWF5M3VrcDN4b2s5Ng==

I don't speak Arabic so I'm just hoping the translation is correct. It was shared by someone I know who does speak Arabic, which is why I feel it's worth sharing. Sorry if it turns out I'm wrong though.

There are people on both sides of this who want Hamas gone. Who recognise that they're hiding among civilians. Who recognise they're evil.

It's a shame the reporter stops interviewing him as soon as he expresses his hatred for Hamas. Unsurprising, but still a shame.

The issue now isn’t Hamas anymore. Israel have the most advanced military capabilities including surveillance and spyware. They could easily take out Hamas on foot without the genocide. What they have done to the Palestinians is beyond imagination and there is no excuse for it.

Absolute BS. If they could easily have taken Hamas on foot they would've. Plus, remember how the whole world kept telling Israel not to go in by foot for like three weeks? Begging them not to. Threatening them if they did.

But yes, I do feel for the Palestinians. They don't deserve any of this. They deserve better from all sides. Stop pretending Hamas aren't the problem though 🤦🏻‍♀️

No, "the whole world" was not telling Israel not to go on by foot for 3 weeks, "begging them not to". Were you even watching the news? Are you delusional?

And anyway, Israel isn't known for factoring in what anyone else thinks when designing its military operations.

300 miles of tunnels probably now need to be gone through so it will not be easy or quick.