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Conflict in the Middle East

Are any Palestinians calling for hostage release / Hamas to stop fighting?

148 replies

Meadowgrasses · 12/11/2023 08:55

This question is not about whether they should or should not be. But if we are hearing all Palestinian voices - it’s so hard to tell from the media. I imagine there must be people who just want it all to stop and don’t think keeping the hostages is in ordinary Gazan’s interests, or who do not support their government but I haven’t heard any - it may well be that I’ve just missed it, but is it something that’s being under reported?

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Livinginanotherworld · 13/11/2023 19:48

Ecdysiast · 13/11/2023 19:12

I condemn Hamas, as many have on these threads, in the strongest of terms. And I think the current Israeli government is far worse than Hamas - words fail to describe the murderous terrorist acts they are committing against the civilian population of Gaza.

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This.

Ecdysiast · 13/11/2023 19:48

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@Xenia
It takes a few generations in the West to become an ignorant, hateful, white supremacist?

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 13/11/2023 19:49

”But Hamas” rhetoric is disgusting.

The whole world is witnessing the plight of the Palestinians - and yet - “they deserve it because of Hamas”.

Vile.

Babies and children are dead. No food. No water. No electricity. Hospitals, schools, churches, everything bombed.

But - but - Hamas. Human shields. Underground tunnels. Bla bla bla.

Hasbara.

Oh fuck off.

No one is falling for it and your victim mentality.

Livinginanotherworld · 13/11/2023 19:55

Ecdysiast · 13/11/2023 19:24

@RudsyFarmer
Israel is the occupying party in this conflict, and as such it is de facto the aggressor. Therefore any actions from Hamas are by definition "self-defence". I am not saying that means it's ok for Hamas to target civilians. What I am saying is that as occupier, Israel's aggression towards Gaza cannot be called "self-defense". Israel has been bombing Gaza regularly for decades. This conflict did not begin on October 7th.

Correct. It’s been 38 days and 75 years

Rachna83 · 13/11/2023 20:06

Are the posters who are wanting condemnation of Hamas condemning the Israeli government?

jolaylasofia · 13/11/2023 20:07

why is it up to palestinians to do this? they are dying! their children are starving. Hamas are nothing to do with them. why are people so dumb???

jolaylasofia · 13/11/2023 20:11

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jolaylasofia · 13/11/2023 20:13

oh and by the way YES i condemn hamas, hamas was created by and funded by israel incase you didn't know. so yes 100% i condemn them just as much as i condemn israeli government.

i am sorry for and mourn the loss of christian, jew and muslim palestinians. Just as i do with murdered israelis.

people need to wake up

andmeandmeandme · 13/11/2023 20:20

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This is just subjective, emotive and conspirational nonsense not worthy of any reasoned reply.

people need to wake up

Standard line of folk trying to spread misinformation and conspiracy.

PerfectPenquins · 13/11/2023 20:20

Ecdysiast · 12/11/2023 09:38

Israel rejected a deal that would return the hostages early on. Hamas offered, but Israel preferred to to carry out a campaign of ethnic cleansing on the civilian population of Gaza instead.

More details about the deals Netanyahu rejected can be found here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/09/netanyahu-rejected-ceasefire-for-hostages-deal-in-gaza-sources-say

Hamas wanted a 5 day ceasefire in exchange for a few hostages so they could re arm and re organise and attack again. Did you really think hamas suddenly became civil human beings?

andmeandmeandme · 13/11/2023 20:23

Parkingt111 · 13/11/2023 19:30

@Xenia is that last post seriously what you believe?
You do realise you sound like a white supremacist
Although you might not be intending to but that's a very insulting post

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I think it was intentional and it was appalling.

ssd · 13/11/2023 20:27

Xenia had always been controversial on mn but the stuff she is writing now is beyond the pale.

Stomacharmeleon · 13/11/2023 20:34

@jolaylasofia yes really funny..... fucking hilarious.

ssd · 13/11/2023 20:36

PerfectPenquins · 13/11/2023 20:20

Hamas wanted a 5 day ceasefire in exchange for a few hostages so they could re arm and re organise and attack again. Did you really think hamas suddenly became civil human beings?

Civil human beings, like the Israeli government you mean, the people responsible for killing over 11,000 men women and children in retaliation for an attack that killed about 1,200 men women and children, according to a spokesman from the Israeli foreign ministry?

Is that what civil human beings look like to you??

Parkingt111 · 13/11/2023 20:37

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There were certainly security failures which Netanyahu is under alot of pressure about.
But I don't think anyone believes it was orchestrated by Israel
This was clearly something that had been planned over a very long time by Hamas.
Let's have some empathy for lives lost on both sides

localnotail · 13/11/2023 20:39

I think the question is why Palestinian people who live in the West are not really vocal against Hamas and do not demand release of the hostages. Actually, not vocal at all. And pull down posters of kidnapped children instead of demanding their release.

EnoughIsay · 13/11/2023 20:46

RudsyFarmer · 13/11/2023 19:17

You anonymously condemn Hamas on a Mumsnet thread. Great. Watch the public supporters fidget in their seats and fudge the question every time they are asked to condemn the terrorists. Is almost like they’re afraid to.

Go pback to posts that first week and you see wall to wall condemnation of Hamas.

The problem you have now is the Israeli government out Hamas Hamas.

So now what?

EnoughIsay · 13/11/2023 20:48

Parkingt111 · 13/11/2023 19:30

@Xenia is that last post seriously what you believe?
You do realise you sound like a white supremacist
Although you might not be intending to but that's a very insulting post

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White supremency is at the heart of this.

The ruling majority of Israel trace their ancestory to Eastern Europe , not the Middle East.

localnotail · 13/11/2023 20:56

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 13/11/2023 19:49

”But Hamas” rhetoric is disgusting.

The whole world is witnessing the plight of the Palestinians - and yet - “they deserve it because of Hamas”.

Vile.

Babies and children are dead. No food. No water. No electricity. Hospitals, schools, churches, everything bombed.

But - but - Hamas. Human shields. Underground tunnels. Bla bla bla.

Hasbara.

Oh fuck off.

No one is falling for it and your victim mentality.

"Victim mentality"? Whoever fails to condemn Hamas are definitely against Palestinian people because Hamas does not care about Palestinians dying, in fact, they welcome their death. They would not even allow women and children to hide in the tunnels or use any of the food and other supplies they have accumulated. Its a totalitarian death cult bent on achieving its disguising goal of elimination of Israel, and Israel, surprisingly, doesn't want to be eliminated. You can do as much swearing and posturing as you like but if Hamas laid down arms and released hostages all of this nightmare would be over. And if Hamas did not attack Israel none of this would have happened in the first place, and Gaza would have been a seaside town it was a few month before, and not a pile of ruins it is now.

jolaylasofia · 13/11/2023 21:12

@andmeandmeandme except there are videos showing the israeli pm talking about how he gave money to hamas. How is it a conspiracy theory when it's factual? are you ok?

jolaylasofia · 13/11/2023 21:13

localnotail · 13/11/2023 20:39

I think the question is why Palestinian people who live in the West are not really vocal against Hamas and do not demand release of the hostages. Actually, not vocal at all. And pull down posters of kidnapped children instead of demanding their release.

probably because their relatives were kidnapped by israelis years ago and have been imprisoned without release since!

Creatingusernamesismygame · 13/11/2023 21:16

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 13/11/2023 19:49

”But Hamas” rhetoric is disgusting.

The whole world is witnessing the plight of the Palestinians - and yet - “they deserve it because of Hamas”.

Vile.

Babies and children are dead. No food. No water. No electricity. Hospitals, schools, churches, everything bombed.

But - but - Hamas. Human shields. Underground tunnels. Bla bla bla.

Hasbara.

Oh fuck off.

No one is falling for it and your victim mentality.

This 1000 times!

andmeandmeandme · 13/11/2023 21:18

jolaylasofia · 13/11/2023 21:12

@andmeandmeandme except there are videos showing the israeli pm talking about how he gave money to hamas. How is it a conspiracy theory when it's factual? are you ok?

Perfectly fine thanks. I just have no tolerance for this kind of conspirational nonsense being pushed. In case you need a reminder, this is exactly what you said. There is no factual evidence to support this argument but I suppose if you repeat it often enough it becomes widely believed.

this whole october 7th was his excuse to flatten gaza completely. i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't orchestrated by the israeli government.

jolaylasofia · 13/11/2023 21:18

btw what is condemning hamas actually going to achieve? why does everyone want or ask for this??? what's the point? anyone sane and human doesn't agree with killing of innocent people. it's a stupid question. why don't they ask if we condemn israeli government instead? 1200 dead on oct 7th compared to more than 10 x that palestinians since. just stop with the absolute stupidness

jolaylasofia · 13/11/2023 21:19

@andmeandmeandme there's no factual evidence of beheaded babies either but people still believed that tripe