Are any Palestinians calling for hostage release / Hamas to stop fighting?

[Meadowgrasses]

This question is not about whether they should or should not be. But if we are hearing all Palestinian voices - it’s so hard to tell from the media. I imagine there must be people who just want it all to stop and don’t think keeping the hostages is in ordinary Gazan’s interests, or who do not support their government but I haven’t heard any - it may well be that I’ve just missed it, but is it something that’s being under reported?

You are literally trying to rewrite history to suit your narrative. Please just stop. I have no interest discussing anything with someone who is so convinced there's only one bad guy here

After October 7th, Israel was making threat after threat about what they were going to do to Gaza, and many Western nations had the Israeli flag placed prominently, remember? They kept saying "Israel has the right to defend itself", remember? The US pledged more military aid, weapons were sent over. When, in all of that, were people "begging" Israel not to go in on foot? Genuine question, @Humdingerydoo

They also begged Israel to delay a ground invasion, in the hopes they would get all the hostages out and Israel wouldn't need to go in at all. Which would've just left Hamas as they were, so not really a viable option. You can just Google "Israel delay ground invasion" and then choose a news source of your liking from October 2023. I was going to send you a couple of links but some of them are behind pay walls so just choose whatever link you will trust, I guess.

Please note, I do not a agree with everything Israel does. I sure as hell don't agree with what certain people in Israel say. I don't agree with soldiers posting tik toks and waving the Israeli flag around in Gaza. I don't agree with it for multiple reasons, but mostly because it's provocative for the sole purpose of being provocative. It's immature and fucking stupid. They're being their own worst enemy at times. But nonetheless, Israel needs to get rid of terrorists. They just do. Even before this current war, my 5 year old nephew was well-acquainted with the bomb shelter at nursery in the middle of Israel 🥴 Not any kind of disputed territory, but Israel 'proper'. As were his younger siblings, but they're too young to be talking about it. One of the toddler's first words was "boom". It's just no way to live.

I hope for peace and a two state solution. I don't want any more Palestinian deaths or destruction of their land. It's all so incredibly awful and I really don't know what to say. I just don't think Israel should be painted as the sole bad guy in all this.

Sorry, that was off topic and a bit of a rant. I'm just very fed up with it all and hate that people don't seem to understand how impossible the situation is.

@Rubbishagain literally posting rubbish.... again.

There are about 2 million palestinians in Gaza and about 2 million in west bank and worldwide there are about 10 million who claim palestinian heritage. The OP's question is very valid.

There are plenty who are not overseen by Hamas and who are seeing what is happening from a safe distance. The palestinian diaspora does not seem to be condemning Hamas or calling for the return of hostages to save their people left behind.

Surely some of them left for a reason and absolutely hate hamas, like those loyal to fateh.

Its not a good look.

Israel could take hamas out in a day (if that) with air strikes, they are going in on foot to prevent civilian casualties because they know Hamas use civilian shields.

By telling civilians where to go Israel exposes the movements of their own troops therefore endangering their own troops to minimise gazan civilian casualties.

Of all the strikes Israel has made to have only killed a few thousand is testament to their precision bombing and again their commitment to minimising civilian casualties.

But all we hear is western guilt about Israel indiscriminately bombing, genocide nonsense.

Have you ever had the misfortune of dealing with a brutal dictatorship? I imagine, like most brutal dictatorships, there are consequences for family and friends left behind. It's how these governments survive and thrive. Rule by terror and force.
Not a good look? Or you just haven't thought it through?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzrLxGDo6Gj/?igshid=YTVrbzkzNDUzb2Jw
this is absolutely disgusting. Over 10 thousand deaths and people being starved to death is ok. How this can be justified in any way is horrifying. Hamas is not innocent but Israel have been occupying and killing Palestinians every year for decades

It’s horrifying the level of Western apology for Hamas. Grinning faces of young people
in the U.K. and U.S. as they rip down posters of kidnapped civilians, including children. I don’t see this on the other side

Or maybe there is more support for hamas among the civilian population than we are willing to admit. Hundreds cheered shani louks body.

We don’t know how many are dead. We only have figures from hamas who lie. No one is being starved to death. Gaza has not been occupied since 2005. Hamas have been the government who have run Gaza. Where do you get your information from ?

"Hundreds" cheer for all sorts of shit. Doesn't mean they represent 10 million other people.
It's also irrelevant to my point, which is that I don't believe any Palestinian is free to criticize Hamas without consequence. If you'd like to refute my actual point, go ahead, but I won't respond to further deflection.

I’m not going to speculate on how you got your inside information from Hamas, but even if your inside Hamas information were true why is it you think that the lives of a few hundred hostages are not worth everyone’s guns going silent for 5 days? Do you value human life so cheaply? There are so many Israeli families grieving right now because the hostages are such a low priority to Israel’s war cabinet. What difference would a 5 day pause make in the eventual outcome of the conflict? It would be next to no difference. But the difference to the Israeli hostages and their families would be life changing. The same would be true for Palestinian families asking for their children back- that was the requested prisoner swap. Israeli hostages for Palestinian children.

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter whether we are white or black or brown because any ethnoreligous group can adopt supremacist views and weaponise them against other ethnicities and/or religions in a region they control.

“Jews are the only ethnic group in the world who are not allowed a homeland.”
No one has said this, we have a homeland and it is Israel. Having a homeland isn’t carte blanche to violate human rights and international law, to engage in apartheid, massacres and ethnic cleansing within our homeland.

This is a terrible allegation. I am an Israeli Jew and I am protesting for a ceasefire to save lives. Lives of Israeli hostages. Lives of Palestinian civilians. Even the lives of the teenage conscripts in IDF and brainwashed teenage Hamas fighters who have been sent to war by old men full of hate.

You are saying I, a Jewish mother, wouldn’t say anything if Israel’s cities were being pounded into rubble, if tens of thousands of Israelis (including my own family) were dying at a rate of a few hundred a day? Shame.

I also know for a fact that the UN, the world, would protest and worry about Jewish civilians as much as Palestinian civilians. This is the same world that fought Germany to stop the Holocaust from finishing us off completely. The same world that grieved with us on Oct 7th.

Calling for a ceasefire isn’t antisemitic. It is propeace.

@RebekaTuwin posters on here have denied Israel's right to exist numerous times and said they should leave.

No Israel could not take out Hamas in a single day of airstrikes. There have been hundreds of days of airstrikes over the years. Oct 7th to 27th was nonstop airstrikes 24/7 before ground operations began and no, Hamas was not neutralised as a threat by the airstrikes. If it had, there would be no ground operation. The airstrikes have continued with the ground operations since Oct 27th.

Prior to Gaza’s health system collapsing and death and injury tolls stopped being added to, last week, the head of the UN drawing from UN sources on the ground (not Hamas) stated that 99.97% of casualties killed were over 11,000 civilians, with at least 25,000 wounded.

The airstrikes were therefore defacto indiscriminate bombing of civilians. It’s not precision bombing when you have a 0.03% success rate of hitting Hamas.

I believe it, but it is wrong to lump all of us who are calling for a ceasefire with a tiny minority of antisemitic extremists which is exactly what @always2tired did.

That is not the case. We have figures from UNWRA (UN), the PRC, IRC who are all in Gaza and from outside and inside Gaza, the IDF.

The IDF says that over 20,000 civilians have been killed. Would you rather go with that number?

Excellent post.
Indiscriminate bombing what we have been saying right from the start

For me it was Oct 12th that I realised IDF were doing indiscriminate bombing. The airstikes at first, not so bad. But once they built embankments of artillery and were firing tonnes of 90mm shells into Gaza, I realised this cannot possibly be precision bombing. Artillery shells have an error margin of 82 feet/25 metres. You can aim for an X target and there is a very good chance that shell will miss it by up to 82 feet or 25 metres in any direction. Artillery is not precision bombing. That is the width of a city block. That was the day I first emailed my MP asking for a ceasefire because that was the day it was glaringly obvious that precision bombing was not the objective.

Just because the media doesn’t show it doesn’t mean it’s not there. Where is the western apology? They’re encouraging the genocide by providing weapons

Israel have clearly stated they have cut off all food/water and fuel. It’s on every news channel. You are in clear denial that this is a genocide. The UN and other independent sources have confirmed deaths. Illegal settlers are still stealing land from Palestinians. Gaza has drastically reduced in size because Israel is constantly stealing land. Year after year IDF bomb and kill innocent civilians.