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Efacsen · 10/11/2023 07:29

OuiOuiKitty · 10/11/2023 00:10

A pro Israel organisation are offering to pay students $250 in 'expenses' to attend a pro Israel march in Washington on the 14th. Kind of embarrassing that they need to pay people to attend.

I'm not sure what to make of things like this - it was something that was/is regularly brought up about the Trump rallies and people being 'bussed' in to swell the crowds

If you're providing expensive transport over large distances [as is the case of the US] in order to get your supporters there it can look like you're paying people to attend rather than just making it possible for them to attend

Totalblindnessofthesoul · 10/11/2023 10:03

Efacsen · 10/11/2023 07:29

I'm not sure what to make of things like this - it was something that was/is regularly brought up about the Trump rallies and people being 'bussed' in to swell the crowds

If you're providing expensive transport over large distances [as is the case of the US] in order to get your supporters there it can look like you're paying people to attend rather than just making it possible for them to attend

And paying students £1,000 to promote Israel (secretly!) On social media and forums? Is that 'expenses' too?

HaveANiceTime · 10/11/2023 11:04

The IDF are using Hellfire R9X models amongst encampments of civilians now.

This missile does not explode. Instead, it sends out six buzz saws in an open arc that slices up anything in the immediate vicinity.

Warning, graphic video content.

Anyone who still supports Israel should watch this and tell me how they’re the moral army we keep being told about.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1722817625254936576/pu/vid/avc1/320x564/veeX8Y_fhgtuoqd7.mp4?tag=12

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 11:05

HaveANiceTime · 10/11/2023 11:04

The IDF are using Hellfire R9X models amongst encampments of civilians now.

This missile does not explode. Instead, it sends out six buzz saws in an open arc that slices up anything in the immediate vicinity.

Warning, graphic video content.

Anyone who still supports Israel should watch this and tell me how they’re the moral army we keep being told about.

Disgusting
These are displaced civilians sleeping in the courtyard of a hospital aswell

Ecdysiast · 10/11/2023 13:36

HaveANiceTime · 10/11/2023 11:04

The IDF are using Hellfire R9X models amongst encampments of civilians now.

This missile does not explode. Instead, it sends out six buzz saws in an open arc that slices up anything in the immediate vicinity.

Warning, graphic video content.

Anyone who still supports Israel should watch this and tell me how they’re the moral army we keep being told about.

Thanks for sharing. I have no words.

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 14:26

Unfortunately the death toll now exceeds 11 thousand with 4506 child death
This does not take into account those unfortunate deaths that are still under the rubble
It can't be emphasised enough how desperately a ceasefire is needed right now

There are very real concerns of indiscriminate bombing which has resulted in such a great civilian toll
This can no longer be dismissed as some sort of propaganda

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 14:30

@HaveANiceTime Oz Katerji seems to think that's disinformation btw and he's a relatively restrained voice in general:

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1722968907542151495

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 14:40

@SomeCatFromJapan I don't know much about weapons but the UN have asked today for an investigation in which weapons are being used in urban areas. With a serious concern of high impact weapons which would amount to large civilian deaths

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 14:43

Regardless of which side anyone is on at this point it can't be denied that there are very real serious concerns

Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡
Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 14:47

PurpleChrayne · 06/11/2023 13:17

I presume you're aware that Al Jazeera is the mouthpiece of Qatar, and their source is the "Palestinian Health Ministry", which is Hamas.

Just as I am sure that you are aware that Western media both UK and US are the mouthpiece of the Israeli gov, who are war criminals.
Al Jazeera has the most accurate reporting of any news agency.

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 14:48

orangegato · 06/11/2023 13:22

Can’t be hurting Hamas’ conscience too much or they’d give the hostages back.

They tried, Netanyahu doesn’t want them !

EasterIssland · 10/11/2023 14:51

100 urnwa workers have been killed in the last month
https://twitter.com/UNLazzarini/status/1722925888503701880

https://twitter.com/UNLazzarini/status/1722925888503701880

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 14:59

soddingspiderseason · 06/11/2023 18:12

Hamas breached a ceasefire and started a war by committing atrocities against innocent civilians including many children. Hamas took 240 people as hostages. Hamas continues to fire rockets at Israel using Gazan civilians as human shields. Hamas leaders have said they intend to commit the same atrocities until all Jews are dead. Hamas are the problem. Argue for Hamas to return all the hostages immediately. Then the Israelis may talk about a ceasefire. Argue for Hamas to surrender themselves to prevent further bloodshed. Argue for the Gazan people to rise up against Hamas. Hamas are the enemy of peace.

Wow, they’ve done a great brain washing job on you haven’t they.

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:01

feralunderclass · 06/11/2023 18:31

This rhetoric that the Jewish people in Israel would all be wiped out if Israel didn't commit genocide respond in the way it did is entirely false. Israel have been murdering Palestinians, illegally demolishing homes, illegally grabbing land, illegally building walls (that the UN have declared an apartheid fence) in the name of "security" LONG before the existence of Hamas. Nobody believes this false narrative that everything was fine until a few weeks ago. Israel have been an occupying force severely violating the human rights of Palestinians for decades!

100% this

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:03

mushroomsinplantpots · 06/11/2023 18:40

Are you aware that Hamas continues to fire thousands of rockets at Israel too and if it were not for their defence system, there would be countless deaths?

Just tonight on Sky News a Hamas spokesman said, 'we will not stop until we have our own state with Jerusalem as it's capital'. So in other words, 'we're not stopping till all the Israelis are dead or gone'.

I don't know what you expect Israel to do in those circumstances? Invite Hamas round for tea?

So Palestine aren’t allowed to try and defend themselves from genocide then ?

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 15:20

So Palestine aren’t allowed to try and defend themselves from genocide then ?

You really need to decide here. Either both sides get to fire rockets or neither do.
And it's not Palestine firing the rockets anyway, it's Hamas. You know, the ones that broke the ceasefire in the first place.

Efacsen · 10/11/2023 15:27

More news about al-Shifa hospital
Sad

Thousands of people sheltering at Shifa hospital have fled after strikes

Palestinian evacuees fleeing Gaza’s northern combat zone have told the Associated Press that thousands of displaced people who had sheltered at Shifa Hospital in the heart of Gaza City have fled following overnight explosions there.

The hospital had been sheltering nearly 80,000 people

Some of those fleeing Friday said only a few hundred badly wounded patients and doctors remained behind. Doctors at Shifa Hospital could not immediately be reached for comment because of phone and internet connectivity disruptions.

The Israeli army has alleged that Hamas hides in and under hospitals and that it has set up a command center under Shifa — claims the militant group and hospital staff deny.

Gaza health officials said strikes were carried out near four hospitals overnight and early Friday.

A senior Israeli security official told the Associated Press that a review was being carried out and that initial findings indicated that one strike at Shifa was the result of a misfire by militants.

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:37

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 15:20

So Palestine aren’t allowed to try and defend themselves from genocide then ?

You really need to decide here. Either both sides get to fire rockets or neither do.
And it's not Palestine firing the rockets anyway, it's Hamas. You know, the ones that broke the ceasefire in the first place.

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Ahh but you’ve already decided only Israel can bomb babies children and get away with it, this did not start on 0ct 07 and you know it ! It’s always Hamas isn’t it, what’s your excuse for them in the West Bank ?

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:46

interesting reading….this has been verified.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative/

MableT · 10/11/2023 15:50

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:37

Ahh but you’ve already decided only Israel can bomb babies children and get away with it, this did not start on 0ct 07 and you know it ! It’s always Hamas isn’t it, what’s your excuse for them in the West Bank ?

If Hamas get the blame for anything they haven't done, I won't be losing sleep over it. I always find posts like yours unpalatable.

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:55

MableT · 10/11/2023 15:50

If Hamas get the blame for anything they haven't done, I won't be losing sleep over it. I always find posts like yours unpalatable.

I find ethnic cleansing and genocide unpalatable as well, I find apologists for it just as bad.

MableT · 10/11/2023 15:57

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:55

I find ethnic cleansing and genocide unpalatable as well, I find apologists for it just as bad.

You can't find apologists for Israel bad when you are protecting Hamas. That's quite an oxymoron. You actually speak as though you feel they are hard done by.

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 16:04

It’s always Hamas isn’t it, what’s your excuse for them in the West Bank ?

Israel needs to sort its shit out in the West Bank, I've never thought differently on that.

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 16:05

But after 7 October, they do have to get rid of Hamas. I can't see a realistic way around that.

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