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Parkingt111 · 09/11/2023 16:42

@OuiOuiKitty how can we believe anything they say when they switch and change like this
He was the one who spurred Israel on
And now he's realised it's not going the way he thought and public opinion is changing so he is back tracking

But these are not just statistics that the US can say which ones they want to pick
These are real humans, people who once had dreams and aspirations and who didn't deserve to die
And then denied the dignity of their death even being acknowledged

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 16:58

Parkingt111 · 09/11/2023 16:21

That's why I say
All these people who think biden is a friend of Israel, he really is not
He's realised that this might cause him to lose his seat and he is slowly changing his narrative

You think so? Thought there was a big Jewish community in USA and that he’ll need their support next year. Tbh I’ve never liked Biden and I think he’s as crap as trump. He came to power like the rescuer but he’s a bloody mess as a politician

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 17:02

Parkingt111 · 09/11/2023 16:20

Biden can quite frankly go to hell
All this time he was the one saying he doesn't believe Hamas figures and today he does a total U TURN Saying its likely to be HIGHER than 10 thousand
What the hell is wrong with that man
I don't understand why he didn't just say in the first place
It wad so obvious that thousands had been killed

@Parkingt111 He is a snake. There is a special place in hell for him.

OuiOuiKitty · 09/11/2023 17:04

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 16:58

You think so? Thought there was a big Jewish community in USA and that he’ll need their support next year. Tbh I’ve never liked Biden and I think he’s as crap as trump. He came to power like the rescuer but he’s a bloody mess as a politician

Jewish doesn't equal unquestioning support for Israel though, there are lots of, especially young, Jewish people in the US that don't support an attempted genocide.

I think he is trying to walk a line though, don't piss of the pro Israel crowd too much, don't piss off the pro Palestinian crowd too much. Ultimately though he will always support Israel, the US don't fund Israel every year out of the goodness of their hearts. I don't think the US have ever particularly cared about Israel just their position in the middle east.

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 17:08

OuiOuiKitty · 09/11/2023 17:04

Jewish doesn't equal unquestioning support for Israel though, there are lots of, especially young, Jewish people in the US that don't support an attempted genocide.

I think he is trying to walk a line though, don't piss of the pro Israel crowd too much, don't piss off the pro Palestinian crowd too much. Ultimately though he will always support Israel, the US don't fund Israel every year out of the goodness of their hearts. I don't think the US have ever particularly cared about Israel just their position in the middle east.

Edited

True. Guess the latest demos from Jewish people in America have told him not everyone is happy with what Israel is doing and he wants to keep both sides happy and get their votes

Parkingt111 · 09/11/2023 17:12

@Ecdysiast honestly snake is the first thing that came to my mind too

Parkingt111 · 09/11/2023 17:14

@EasterIssland the polls show that more and more people in the US think that Israel is going too far
And also there's pressure from the UN
And he's probably realising once the dust settles and the true horrors come out he's not only going to lose his seat but also look like a right idiot

starfleet · 09/11/2023 19:16

Another hospital today.

West Bank Nakba - and it is just that. Forcibly removing families from their own homes. Paving the way for illegal settlers with a 'right to retun' to steal what families have spent a lifetime creating.

They are targeting and attacking without will now. Anything and everyone who is Palestinian.

When will it be enough deaths for Israel? How many more innocent civilians and kids do they have to slaughter? Is over 10k not enough? 1000+ dead children still buried under the rubble. At least 13 people have died from starvation and dehydration because aid isn't getting through quick enough. When the fuck is it going to be enough?

Efacsen · 09/11/2023 19:24

@starfleet sad to hear of those deaths - all things considered surprised not sooner
Where was it reported please?

OP posts:
Parkingt111 · 09/11/2023 19:33

Just clicked on the link
If this is true then its truly sickening
And what sort of monsters bomb a blood bank in a war zone

Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡
EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 19:39

Parkingt111 · 09/11/2023 19:33

Just clicked on the link
If this is true then its truly sickening
And what sort of monsters bomb a blood bank in a war zone

Probably true pretty sire there was a hamas member there 🤔

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 19:41

Maybe there was also a Hamas member in this aid convoy delivering water:

twitter.com/insiderworld_1/status/1721921897795928288/mediaviewer

starfleet · 09/11/2023 19:43

Efacsen · 09/11/2023 19:24

@starfleet sad to hear of those deaths - all things considered surprised not sooner
Where was it reported please?

The hospital bombing was still being reported.

The death toll is the amount of approx people already killed.

starfleet · 09/11/2023 19:46

Apologies @Efacsen I thought you were asking about all of the deaths.

I'll try and find the link re the 13 people.

OneHurtSpaggettio · 09/11/2023 19:57

OuiOuiKitty · 09/11/2023 17:04

Jewish doesn't equal unquestioning support for Israel though, there are lots of, especially young, Jewish people in the US that don't support an attempted genocide.

I think he is trying to walk a line though, don't piss of the pro Israel crowd too much, don't piss off the pro Palestinian crowd too much. Ultimately though he will always support Israel, the US don't fund Israel every year out of the goodness of their hearts. I don't think the US have ever particularly cared about Israel just their position in the middle east.

Edited

Exactly this.

He and Blinken will come out with some empty gestures of Palestinian sympathy whilst simultaneously signing off on billions more to land in the pockets of the IDF.

It’s performative crap in response to things like the march in Washington DC and other major US cities on the weekend:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/up-to-30000-protesters-expected-for-pro-palestinian-rally-in-dc-on-saturday

‘No ceasefire, no votes’: tens of thousands attend pro-Palestinian rally in Washington DC | Protest | The Guardian

Protesters call on Biden to demand ceasefire in Israel-Gaza conflict and end military aid to Israel

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/up-to-30000-protesters-expected-for-pro-palestinian-rally-in-dc-on-saturday

mollyfolk · 09/11/2023 21:36

For anyone wanting to learn more about the history of the crisis, I recommend the David McWilliams podcast - he has a 3 part series. It’s not unbiased - he is very anti the Israeli administration- but he lived in Israel and it’s an interesting viewpoint from an economist’s point of view.

Also the today in focus podcast from the Guardian has loads including an interviews with the hostages families.

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 21:38

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 17:02

@Parkingt111 He is a snake. There is a special place in hell for him.

think she agrees with you both @Parkingt111 @Ecdysiast

Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡
itsallshite · 09/11/2023 22:13

Maybe im slow off the mark but I was just browsing online and was bombarded with adverts supporting Israel. Since when is this a thing? It feels super creepy and 1984 to have this propaganda so explicit.

mollyfolk · 09/11/2023 22:15

itsallshite · 09/11/2023 22:13

Maybe im slow off the mark but I was just browsing online and was bombarded with adverts supporting Israel. Since when is this a thing? It feels super creepy and 1984 to have this propaganda so explicit.

It’s super creepy. So much propaganda.

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 22:16

itsallshite · 09/11/2023 22:13

Maybe im slow off the mark but I was just browsing online and was bombarded with adverts supporting Israel. Since when is this a thing? It feels super creepy and 1984 to have this propaganda so explicit.

Some poster said some ig accounts have said they’ve been offered money to support Israel so probably there is money injected in sponsoring these news

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 22:19

itsallshite · 09/11/2023 22:13

Maybe im slow off the mark but I was just browsing online and was bombarded with adverts supporting Israel. Since when is this a thing? It feels super creepy and 1984 to have this propaganda so explicit.

I've been getting it for weeks now. Every time I watch something on YouTube one of their ads comes up multiple times. I've heard they've spent a massive amount of money on the ad campaign.

Totalblindnessofthesoul · 09/11/2023 23:05

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 22:16

Some poster said some ig accounts have said they’ve been offered money to support Israel so probably there is money injected in sponsoring these news

They have paid people (often students) to push pro Israeli viewpoint on social media and forums for over a decade.

This is verified by the bbc etc, not just rumour. Of course when I put up a thread about it on here MN deleted it for being speculation despite me lining to the bbc verified article.

Let's see how long this comment lasts 😂

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 23:08

Totalblindnessofthesoul · 09/11/2023 23:05

They have paid people (often students) to push pro Israeli viewpoint on social media and forums for over a decade.

This is verified by the bbc etc, not just rumour. Of course when I put up a thread about it on here MN deleted it for being speculation despite me lining to the bbc verified article.

Let's see how long this comment lasts 😂

Aug 2023

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.amp

Israel: Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News

Students in Israel are to be awarded "scholarships" to respond to defend the country's reputation on Facebook and Twitter, reports suggest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.amp

OuiOuiKitty · 10/11/2023 00:10

A pro Israel organisation are offering to pay students $250 in 'expenses' to attend a pro Israel march in Washington on the 14th. Kind of embarrassing that they need to pay people to attend.

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