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Conflict in the Middle East

6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official

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Ohlalalalala · 25/10/2023 19:16

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2] Wikipedia

Reservist Major General Giora Eiland told Israeli media on Monday that Israel’s actions in “creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/25/gaza-is-out-of-fuel-out-of-time-under-israels-bombardment

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

Oxfam says starvation is being used as a weapon of war against civilians in Gaza, adding just two percent of usual food has been delivered to the enclave since Israel’s “total siege”.

Gaza death toll rises to 6,500, including Al Jazeera correspondent’s family

Al Jazeera Arabic’s Wael Dahdouh’s wife, son and daughter among family members killed after home hit.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

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Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 12:25

My other thread ""Exterminate All The Brutes"! And The Genocide Continues... In Darkness" has been hidden by Mumsnet probably because it was maliciously reported by some with the opposing view, and instead of engaging in a civil debate they wanted to stifle it. I contacted MNHQ both by email and here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4930041-at-mnhq

Hopefully the thread will soon be reinstated as it was put up in the first place to think about practical ways to help the innocent people stuck under the bombardment and to demand ceasefire.

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AgaMM · 28/10/2023 12:29

The western world has shown that it’s perfectly acceptable for brown people to be collateral damage, after Afghanistan and then Iraq. It has also shown that white victims of war are more important, as evident by its response to Ukraine.

It’s really not surprising that Israel is doing all this under claims of “war on terror”, and it will get away with it.

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Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 14:32

First piece of news in the last 3 weeks that made me smile:

https://youtube.com/shorts/kZq7mhS6DS4?feature=shared

Gamers attending pro Palestine protests on Roblox.

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Chaiandkaafee · 28/10/2023 15:08

It’s awful. It’s a genocide. Right before our eyes. Anyone on here trying to defend Israel really
have no shame! There is no excuse that can justify the wholly disproportionate response we are witnessing in their region.

Chaiandkaafee · 28/10/2023 15:09

@AgaMM yes. The whole ‘war on terror’ narrative is racist.

Chaiandkaafee · 28/10/2023 15:13

History will judge Israel incredibly harshly.

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 28/10/2023 15:17

It seems the whole world is blind. When Ukraine was getting bombed people had a different reaction to Gaza getting bombed. It is also absurd on the Israeli side why you would be bombing Gaza because you are supposedly getting rid of Hamas. Bombing Gaza not only puts innocent civilians there at risk but Israel's own hostages are also at risk.

History has taught us that getting rid of dangerous groups/people does not always work. Look what happened to Pablo Escobar (killed) and El Chapo (jail) the drug wars in Colombia and Mexico has not stopped in fact it can be argued the wars have increased and violence and bloodshed is worse. Same with Al Qaeda what happened then something worse came ISIS. Moral of the story something worse is always around the corner. Plus people need to realize Israel have attacked Palestine before Hamas took power. Bella Hadid's dad mentions how he was kicked out of his own home during 1948 Nakba. Israel has too much power over Gaza imagine a country controlling your trade, utilities, food etc..

MissyB1 · 28/10/2023 15:20

Usou · 26/10/2023 15:02

Well said. 100,000 Armenians ethnically cleansed, and it got a couple of days in the news.

While I can sympathise with the Gazans to a degree, people overlook/ignore the fact that historically, it is the Arabs that have done most of the ethnic/religious cleansing. Whatever happened to the Copts and other Christian denominations, the Yazidis, the Druze and the Zoroastrians - not to mention the Jews of Baghdad and Tehran - all far more numerous in the past? You think they all just decided to move elsewhere? They were killed, converted and generally oppressed out of existence - before the advent of social media unfortunately for them.

So I'm with the Israelis. It's hard and nasty, but what are they supposed to do? "Negotiate" with people that want them dead? Israel is a mere 8,000 square miles compared to the 2 million occupied by Arabs, Turks and Persians - and we're supposed to believe they are the victims?

Sorry but you just sounds like a racist, at the very least you don’t like Arabs much do you? 🙄

Greenyinabottle · 28/10/2023 15:34

Chaiandkaafee · 28/10/2023 15:13

History will judge Israel incredibly harshly.

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And the rest of the world too, for watching on. It’s absolutely appalling

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Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 15:43

AgaMM · 28/10/2023 12:29

The western world has shown that it’s perfectly acceptable for brown people to be collateral damage, after Afghanistan and then Iraq. It has also shown that white victims of war are more important, as evident by its response to Ukraine.

It’s really not surprising that Israel is doing all this under claims of “war on terror”, and it will get away with it.

Israelis are brown too, there are israelian Arabs origin, israelian Turkish origin etc etc.. is not about being brown or not, is about being attacked in a horrible way from a terrorist group called Hamas.

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 15:44

6500 dead says who? Hamas? How can we trust them when they are a terrorist group?

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 15:47

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 15:44

6500 dead says who? Hamas? How can we trust them when they are a terrorist group?

Sadly that number has increased significantly since I posted this thread. I do not care what you think or if your humanity is only selective but please don't come into my thread and spread your hate. There is too much of that already.

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ChickHenLittle · 28/10/2023 15:47

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 15:44

6500 dead says who? Hamas? How can we trust them when they are a terrorist group?

Their numbers have been deemed as accurate by many other reputable organisations.

Also, it doesn't matter. You can see how many people have been killed, homes, schools and hospitals destroyed. The terror being inflicted on Gaza is there to see.

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 15:50

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 15:47

Sadly that number has increased significantly since I posted this thread. I do not care what you think or if your humanity is only selective but please don't come into my thread and spread your hate. There is too much of that already.

Are you 15 years old? Why to start a thread if you don't want people commenting?
I'm not spreading hate. Hamas is a terrorist group, I don't believe anything they say.
Please enlighten me with links to the evidence the numbers they say they are real.

Chaiandkaafee · 28/10/2023 15:51

@Alohapotato so how many Palestinians do YOU think have died? After what number would you start feeling bad? Let’s halve 6500 - 3250 Palestinians dead. Is that ok. Does that make you feel better?!

Coyoacan · 28/10/2023 15:53

NotSuchASmugMarried · 25/10/2023 20:16

The best we can hope for now is a swift victory for israel thereby ending the war quicker and limiting the amount of fatalities.

What would a victory be? This is not a war.

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 15:55

Chaiandkaafee · 28/10/2023 15:51

@Alohapotato so how many Palestinians do YOU think have died? After what number would you start feeling bad? Let’s halve 6500 - 3250 Palestinians dead. Is that ok. Does that make you feel better?!

Did I say I don't feel bad with gazans dying? I do feel bad when any human being dies, specially innocent people but as I said I don't believe what Hamas say. They twist reality to fit their narrative.

yumyum33 · 28/10/2023 15:55

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 15:44

6500 dead says who? Hamas? How can we trust them when they are a terrorist group?

I absolutely agree. Just as there weren't 800 people killed in the hospital blast. It wasn't 800 and it wasn't a hospital.

Yes, it's terrible terrible terrible to see this suffering in Gaza but if Hamas had returned the hostages early on then this wouldn't have been happening at this level.

LolaSmiles · 28/10/2023 16:02

This is what stands out from that article ketchup

As a result, Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist, and I say this as a means rather than an end. I say this because there is no other option for ensuring the security of the State of Israel. We are fighting an existential war.

It's like people are saying the quiet bits loudly now.
It's about the eradication of a whole people.

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 16:04

Coyoacan · 28/10/2023 15:53

What would a victory be? This is not a war.

It is a war, don't forget hamas are firing rockets into Israel too ( with fuel they say they don't have...). I'm surprised about media not talking about that too, I'm Christian but I even me can see how media is anti semitic. ..

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 28/10/2023 16:10

People that say they do not believe Hamas but believe the Israeli government? Why? Both have lied. Israel have time again violated international law at least 28 resolutions were violated in the past and they continue to do this as collective punishment what they are currently doing is a war crime according to the Geneva convention.

Ask yourself this yes Hamas are bad but why before Hamas were in power were Israel violating international law? They have no respect for international law they do what they want. Countries like USA, UK do nothing but enable them.

Dinkydaisy1 · 28/10/2023 16:10

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 16:04

It is a war, don't forget hamas are firing rockets into Israel too ( with fuel they say they don't have...). I'm surprised about media not talking about that too, I'm Christian but I even me can see how media is anti semitic. ..

Literally that's all the media talks about. The first question to anyone is always about condemning hamas. Front pages are about hamas attacks. Anyone who speaks up about Palestine is fired or taken off air. You can't say Gazans are dying without putting Israels right to freedom in the same sentence, and ending with blaming hamas.

Come off it

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 16:12

Hamas is a terrorist group, Israel government is a democrat government. I do not agree with them but I do believe them more than I believe hamas. To me is like comparing olive oil with water...why do you compare them?

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