6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official

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Reservist Major General Giora Eiland told Israeli media on Monday that Israel’s actions in “creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/25/gaza-is-out-of-fuel-out-of-time-under-israels-bombardment

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

Oxfam says starvation is being used as a weapon of war against civilians in Gaza, adding just two percent of usual food has been delivered to the enclave since Israel’s “total siege”.

I mean, I have always strongly suspected that the IDF don't care about civilian lives, but to have it stated in black and white is worse. It would remind me of a child seeing how much they can get away with before you say "that's enough ", and I worry that the PM, amongst others, wouldn't object.

I’ve posted a link in the other thread that ssd is mentioning

Thanks @EasterIssland I've just read it, and it's scary how much more deadly it has made them. 50 targets a year to 100 a day... I wouldn't have any sympathy if all those targets were Hamas fighters, but they definitely won't be, as we've seen. 😩

No children should have be killed in a war but the vast majority of governments, if they’re going to start a deliberate act of war with their neighbours, don’t use civilians as human shields or use refugee camps, hospitals, schools and mosques as bases and armouries.

Can you evidence this happening in any other these other wars or are you going to deny this is happening in Gaza?

Seriously you've just made this up.

AI might be able to help you do your biology coursework essay or even generate an amusing image of a cat on a surfboard BUT it cannot distinguish between who is Hamas and who is a civilian or tell you how many Hamas or how many civilians are in a particular building just as it can't tell me what is in my fridge right now.

Seriously these posts are getting nuttier by the day.

It won’t tell you precisely who is at home at the moment of the Strike. But it’ll tell you whether there is x amount of civilians and Hamas members expected in a building / place.

Multiple sources told the Guardian and +972/Local Call that when a strike was authorised on the private homes of individuals identified as Hamas or Islamic Jihad operatives, target researchers knew in advance the number of civilians expected to be killed.
Each target, they said, had a file containing a collateral damage score that stipulated how many civilians were likely to be killed in a strike.
One source who worked until 2021 on planning strikes for the IDF said “the decision to strike is taken by the on-duty unit commander”, some of whom were “more trigger happy than others”.
The source said there had been occasions when “there was doubt about a target” and “we killed what I thought was a disproportionate amount of civilians”.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how-israel-uses-ai-to-select-bombing-targets

@EasterIssland

Great so the Guardian has got algorithms mixed up with AI.

Simplistically what this algorithmic model does is say Hamas leader A lives on Number 10, XYZ street. Looking at the map we can see the following nearby houses which would be in the blast zone with an expected civilian population of say 50 of which we would say expect 40 to escape to safety before hand meaning 10 civilians would be expected to be killed.

Now of course this is all best guess and bears absolutely no relation to the actual outcome where maybe all 50 civilians get killed because they never got a warning or zero civilians got killed because they were now all living in the south.

It's quite shocking on journalistic standards that the Guardian cannot distinguish between mathematically modelling and AI.

I’d suggest you read the link I’ve posted or you do your own research and find the original source as it’s not the guardian who has the algorithms. Of course, only if you want to understand what @ssd is talking about before coming to a thread to say “can’t believe what you’re making up. Some of these are becoming nuttier each day”

so ,,, did ssd make it up ? The guardian ? Or who did it make it up ?

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/israel-reopens-the-gaza-slaughterhouse

Israeli strikes are generated at a dizzying rate, many of them from a system called “Habsora” — The Gospel — which is built on artificial intelligence that selects 100 targets a day. The AI-system is described by seven current and former Israeli intelligence officials in an article by Yuval Abraham on the Israeli sites +972 Magazine and Local Call, as facilitating a “mass assassination factory.” Israel, once it locates what it assumes to be a Hamas operative from a cell phone, for example, bombs and shells a wide area around the target, killing and wounding tens, and at times hundreds of Palestinians, the article states.

“According to intelligence sources,” the story reads, “Habsora generates, among other things, automatic recommendations for attacking private residences where people suspected of being Hamas or Islamic Jihad operatives live. Israel then carries out large-scale assassination operations through the heavy shelling of these residential homes.”

Israel’s playbook is the “Dahiya Doctrine.” The doctrine was formulated by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of Staff Gadi Eizenkot, who is a member of the war cabinet, following the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Dahiya is a southern Beirut suburb and a Hezbollah stronghold. It was pounded by Israeli jets after two Israeli soldiers were taken prisoner. The doctrine posits that Israel should employ massive, disproportionate force, destroying infrastructure and civilian residences, to ensure deterrence.
Daniel Hagari, spokesman of the IDF, conceded at the start of Israel’s most recent attack on Gaza that the “emphasis” would be “on damage and not on accuracy.”
Israel has abandoned its tactic of “roof knocking” where a rocket without a warhead would land on a roof to warn those inside to evacuate. Israel has also ended its phone calls warning of an impending attack. Now dozens of families in an apartment block or a neighborhood are killed without notice.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how-israel-uses-ai-to-select-bombing-targets

Chris Hedges if you are not familair with him is a Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist who was a foreign correspondent and bureau chief in the Middle East and the Balkans for fifteen years for The New York Times. He previously worked overseas for The Dallas Morning News, The Christian Science Monitor, and NPR. He has been a war correspondent in active war zones and is a Presbyterian preacher. He was sacked from the NYT for turning against the Iraq War after seeing the conflict at first-hand and being taken prisoner by Baathist forces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hedges

Death toll has now almost tripled since this thread was made

Now atleast 18,000

And before anyone comes to say the figures aren't true, the IDF updated that they have carried out 22,000 strikes in Gaza. Based on that i can't see why someone would question why 18,000 people might be dead

The death toll doesn't take into account the many thousands more that are injured and even trapped under the rubble

Yes this thread on my watch list and comes up from time to time and have been meaning to post almost exactly what @Parkingt111 has posted

The 18000 includes 5, 6, 7000 Hamas fighters apparently - dependent on who is estimating it - but as there are more than 7000 missing who aren't going to be returning - I'd say personally that 18000 is still stands

And more likely an under-estimate as SAR fails

The figure of 7500. children dead I've seen mentioned and the population of Gaza on a quick Google is around 800k. So for comparison the UK is 67 million. So the equivalence if this was the UK would be near of a million children dead roughly speaking. If that's not a genocide then I'm at a loss to know what is

New York Times had an oped on December 6th that the most dangerous place in the world to be a child is Gaza and that twice as many children have died than in all the conflicts worldwide 2022. Staggering figures by any standards and staggering that there are still some that at best say regrettable. All lives matter ceasefire now.

It doesn't matter that AI cannot distinguish between Hamas and civilians; the plausible deniability is feature not a bug.

https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/

And just in case you don't want to read about the whole investigation...

According to the investigation, another reason for the large number of targets, and the extensive harm to civilian life in Gaza, is the widespread use of a system called “Habsora” (“The Gospel”), which is largely built on artificial intelligence and can “generate” targets almost automatically at a rate that far exceeds what was previously possible. This AI system, as described by a former intelligence officer, essentially facilitates a “mass assassination factory.”

I think Starmer would be worse (if that's even possible) because he's so terrified of being seen as antisemitic and aligning himself in any way with Corbyn

They can no longer gauge the number of people dying in Northern Gaza so have to assume numbers will be under reported going forward.

Plus from The Lancet 6th Dec No evidence of inflated mortality reporting from the Gaza Ministry of Health - The Lancet

Mortality reporting is difficult to conduct in ongoing conflicts. Initial news reports might be imprecise, and subsequent verified reports might undercount deaths that are not recorded by hospitals or morgues, such as persons buried under rubble (appendix pp 1–2). However, difficulties obtaining accurate mortality figures should not be interpreted as intentionally misreported data.
Although valid mortality counts are important, the situation in Gaza is severe, with high levels of civilian harm and extremely restricted access to aid. Efforts to dispute mortality reporting should not distract from the humanitarian imperative to save civilian lives by ensuring appropriate medical supplies, food, water, and fuel are provided immediately.

Now at least 30,000 dead

Including 10 babies who have died in hospital of starvation - other deaths at home not included

Aid delivery both into and around Gaza is hampered by Israel at every step of the way - aid delivered by road is now only 7-10% of what is needed despite WFP warehouses in Jordan and Egypt containing all the food needed

Civil order has broken down in the face of desperate hunger - as predicted and delivery by the 'last resort' air drops has started

US attempts to modify Israel's behaviour have been largely unsuccessful and the desired ''severe humanitarian crisis'' has arrived

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