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6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official

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Ohlalalalala · 25/10/2023 19:16

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2] Wikipedia

Reservist Major General Giora Eiland told Israeli media on Monday that Israel’s actions in “creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/25/gaza-is-out-of-fuel-out-of-time-under-israels-bombardment

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

Oxfam says starvation is being used as a weapon of war against civilians in Gaza, adding just two percent of usual food has been delivered to the enclave since Israel’s “total siege”.

Gaza death toll rises to 6,500, including Al Jazeera correspondent’s family

Al Jazeera Arabic’s Wael Dahdouh’s wife, son and daughter among family members killed after home hit.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

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Dinkydaisy1 · 29/10/2023 13:30

An Excellent post by Dr Gabor Mate, a holocaust survivor, uploaded on his Instagram today. He also cites some good sources to read.

If you don't want to click on a link, you can go directly to his page

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy9nFkoPBbL/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy9nFkoPBbL?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

ChickHenLittle · 29/10/2023 14:09

Dinkydaisy1 · 29/10/2023 13:30

An Excellent post by Dr Gabor Mate, a holocaust survivor, uploaded on his Instagram today. He also cites some good sources to read.

If you don't want to click on a link, you can go directly to his page

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy9nFkoPBbL/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Thanks for posting, I have read some of his thoughts before, he is very intelligent and insightful.

Ohlalalalala · 29/10/2023 14:14

Dinkydaisy1 · 29/10/2023 13:30

An Excellent post by Dr Gabor Mate, a holocaust survivor, uploaded on his Instagram today. He also cites some good sources to read.

If you don't want to click on a link, you can go directly to his page

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy9nFkoPBbL/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Thank you. Brave man.

https://drgabormate.com/beautiful-dream-israel-become-nightmare/

Israel: The Beautiful Dream has become a Nightmare by Dr. Gabor Maté

The mutual pain in Israel and Palestine is so acute the its citizens are forced to act out in an endless cycle of perpetration and retribution.

https://drgabormate.com/beautiful-dream-israel-become-nightmare

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Parkingt111 · 29/10/2023 15:04

This is disgraceful.
This is why we need to keep speaking up

6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official
Ohlalalalala · 29/10/2023 15:10

Parkingt111 · 29/10/2023 15:04

This is disgraceful.
This is why we need to keep speaking up

Inhuman. Whoever stays silent is complicit with the genociders.

https://dawnmena.org/when-palestinian-lives-are-so-dehumanized-palestinian-suffering-is-normalized/

When Palestinian Lives Are So Dehumanized, Palestinian Suffering Is Normalized

Beautifully written by Diana Buttu who is a Canadian Palestinian lawyer specialising in negotiations, international law, and international human rights law. Earlier in her career, Buttu worked on the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, serving as the only female negotiator during her five-year tenure.

When Palestinian Lives Are So Dehumanized, Palestinian Suffering Is Normalized

Why do Israeli lives have meaning, but Palestinian lives do not?

https://dawnmena.org/when-palestinian-lives-are-so-dehumanized-palestinian-suffering-is-normalized

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Ohlalalalala · 29/10/2023 15:16

Parkingt111 · 29/10/2023 15:04

This is disgraceful.
This is why we need to keep speaking up

Thanks for sharing. Just made a new thread about it. This needs to be heard. Awful. I honestly feel sick.

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Ohlalalalala · 29/10/2023 18:29

Important. Please share!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy7Q0NqOJoE/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

The petition on the bio.

https://instagram.com/shaunking?igshid=OGQ5ZDc2ODk2ZA==

6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official
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Chaiandkaafee · 29/10/2023 18:42

Shaun king is something else. He and his family have been repeatedly targeted by people he speaks out about (especially during the aftermath of the George Floyd case) but he keeps going.

SomeCatFromJapan · 29/10/2023 19:16

Isn't he the white guy that pretends to be black for the grift but unlike Rachel Dolezal he seems to be getting away with it?

etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 19:32

@SomeCatFromJapan Yup that's him, been doing it for years piggybacking onto whatever cause brings the most profitable grift.

This was quite spectacular.
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1715789674378096925/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1715789674378096925/photo/1

Stomacharmeleon · 29/10/2023 20:55

@etmoietmoietmoi I read about that. That was embarrassing for him.

SomeCatFromJapan · 29/10/2023 20:58

@etmoietmoietmoi how to people keep falling for it?!

SadTimes96 · 29/10/2023 22:04

Sean King was somewhat involved. It is not clear how but their father later says that he was without them knowing.

“Ben, my son was talking with him without anybody in the family knowing about it until today. Our family in Israel posted this statement denying we knew him, before we learned about Ben talking to him. We have nothing further to say,” he added.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/shaun-king-natalie-judith-raanan-american-hostages-b2434306.html

Live news, war coverage, breaking stories and comment | The Independent

The latest updates on the Israel-Hamas conflict from The Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/israel

Desertrose2023 · 30/10/2023 07:14

Try and discredit Shaun king all you want - there are plenty of others showing the reality of Israel’s genocide all over social media.

Desertrose2023 · 30/10/2023 07:21

@Ohlalalalala thank you for this thread. Posters like you and others have helped maintain what little hope I have left for humanity. I’d like to respectfully request you update the title of the thread. It should be 8000 (updated figures) killed. too often in the media they use passive language when it comes to reporting on Palestinians killed by Israel. Palestinians are described as ‘dying’ as if they just dropped dead of their own accord, we need to use active words - they were killed by Israel, they did not just die.

Redlarge · 30/10/2023 07:36

Desertrose2023 · 30/10/2023 07:21

@Ohlalalalala thank you for this thread. Posters like you and others have helped maintain what little hope I have left for humanity. I’d like to respectfully request you update the title of the thread. It should be 8000 (updated figures) killed. too often in the media they use passive language when it comes to reporting on Palestinians killed by Israel. Palestinians are described as ‘dying’ as if they just dropped dead of their own accord, we need to use active words - they were killed by Israel, they did not just die.

It's always like this... they died, not killed.
They are terrorists not innocent civilians, and before anyone starts with, they voted hamas in, get a grip. I never voted the tories in, and sunak is standing there saying i support isreal. Obviously, i must as my country voted him in.

Ohlalalalala · 30/10/2023 09:26

Desertrose2023 · 30/10/2023 07:21

@Ohlalalalala thank you for this thread. Posters like you and others have helped maintain what little hope I have left for humanity. I’d like to respectfully request you update the title of the thread. It should be 8000 (updated figures) killed. too often in the media they use passive language when it comes to reporting on Palestinians killed by Israel. Palestinians are described as ‘dying’ as if they just dropped dead of their own accord, we need to use active words - they were killed by Israel, they did not just die.

You're right.

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EasterIssland · 30/10/2023 18:03

This is how Israel refers to those innocent people that has been killed

6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official
Dinkydaisy1 · 30/10/2023 18:07

EasterIssland · 30/10/2023 18:03

This is how Israel refers to those innocent people that has been killed

Disgusting. Inhumane.

Stomacharmeleon · 30/10/2023 18:21

@Dinkydaisy1 I am appealing to you.... you did see the footage of the Hamas gunman who stole that ladies phone after shooting her daughter through the head? Her husband missing? Telling his mother he had murdered 14 Jews?

What do you think will happen if there is a ceasefire? Hamas will regroup and Hamas need removing once and for all.

Both sides need to reconcile but Hamas need to go.

Dinkydaisy1 · 30/10/2023 18:30

Stomacharmeleon · 30/10/2023 18:21

@Dinkydaisy1 I am appealing to you.... you did see the footage of the Hamas gunman who stole that ladies phone after shooting her daughter through the head? Her husband missing? Telling his mother he had murdered 14 Jews?

What do you think will happen if there is a ceasefire? Hamas will regroup and Hamas need removing once and for all.

Both sides need to reconcile but Hamas need to go.

Happy to have a civil conversation about this. There has been a lot posted on these threads this week about the history of the region and the various issues. I don't condone Hamas, nor the Israeli government, but any productive conversation needs to start with an openness to listen and understand the ground realities outside of media headlines and status quo narratives.

Stomacharmeleon · 30/10/2023 18:50

@Dinkydaisy1 thank you for your response.

ChickHenLittle · 30/10/2023 19:49

EasterIssland · 30/10/2023 18:03

This is how Israel refers to those innocent people that has been killed

Vile.

Weddingpuzzle · 30/10/2023 19:51

@Stomacharmeleon I'll ask you a question that was asked on LBC radio today as it is a good question and I'm interested what someone who clearly feels very emotional and upset by what happened on October 7th feels about it.

What if Hamas were hiding in Israel? There are approximately 25,000 Hamas members. What if they were hiding in Israel, would you support Netanyahu's response to October 7th and military policy then?

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