6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official

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Reservist Major General Giora Eiland told Israeli media on Monday that Israel’s actions in “creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/25/gaza-is-out-of-fuel-out-of-time-under-israels-bombardment

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

Oxfam says starvation is being used as a weapon of war against civilians in Gaza, adding just two percent of usual food has been delivered to the enclave since Israel’s “total siege”.

@Dinkydaisy1

"any productive conversation needs to start with an openness to listen and understand the ground realities outside of media headlines and status quo narratives."

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I completely agree along with basing the discussion on facts. Otherwise it simply turns into a pointless rant of entrenched convictions - I'm right, no I'm right, well your facts are fake no yours are fake followed by a whole lot of whataboutery

@Weddingpuzzle

"What if Hamas were hiding in Israel? There are approximately 25,000 Hamas members. What if they were hiding in Israel, would you support Netanyahu's response to October 7th and military policy then?"

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If Hamas were hiding in Israel and they are their hiding was supported by the local population (regardless of whether they were Israeli or Palestinian) then I would expect the military response would be similar. Just the same as if you had a terrorist organisation that launched attacks against say Slough and were based in say Basingstoke that were supported by the local residents.

If however they were not supported by the local population then they would be easier to identify, for example locals saying the bad guys are over there.

@1Dayatatime thanks for your response and your honesty. I don't want to put words in your mouth so can you clarify that you agree if Palestinians were pointing out/somehow presented 25k Hamas terrorists tomorrow at the Israel border the bombing campaign/ground invasion/occupation would stop?

@Weddingpuzzle I believe they are in Israel and Lebanon and Qatar and many other countries (uk?) I hope mossad go after them like they did post 1972. And bring them to trial.
I believe they should be rooted out particularly the hierarchy who make billions from Gaza's misery. I do not believe under any circumstances they will stop nor do I think they want a peaceful solution. I do not believe they want the best for the people of Gaza. Or for Israel to survive.
If you mean bombing I believe it's quite unique to this situation. Very small area with very large population (not genocide by definition) whose terrorist government hide akin to guerrilla war fare eg Vietnam. I believe it is targeted bombing as Israel has the capability to wipe Gaza out in 24 hours. They use civilians as human shields and hide underneath and on top of hospitals, schools etc.
I know this has been gone over a hundred times so sorry if it's not the answer you want. I wanted to give a considered response rather than knee jerk.

Hamas need to go and so do the illegal settlers who keep stealing innocent families homes. And maybe stop dropping illegal white phosphorus bombs on families and hospitals.

Hamas need to go and so do the illegal settlers who keep stealing innocent families homes.

Are you suggesting Hamas carry out further atrocities?

Sorry but how did you get to that conclusion ... are we reading different posts.

Sorry but how did you get to that conclusion ... are we reading different posts.

I misread your post. I apologise, and I don't disagree with your statement now that I've reread it.

It wouldnt be similar though. Hamas attacked inside isreal with the mass slaughter and distruction of their own as an 'acceptable' conceqence. It would never happen.

James O'Brien probes caller Stuart over the 'legitimacy' of Israel's bombing of Gaza after he cited civilian casualties as 'collateral damage', while also questioning whether the Israelis would be pursuing the same tactics if Hamas were hiding in Israel.

Hamas did not value human life. They would have suffered major casualties on Israeli soil on October 7th.
Hamas are in Israel. It would be naive to think otherwise.

Several days after 7/10 the IDF reported that they had finally caught up with the last of the Hamas rampagers still on the lose in Israel and had killed 1500 of them - and maybe took some back for a little light torture

I'm inclined to agree with you that there are likely Hamas 'sleeper agents' living quietly in Israel providing intelligence which is a horrible thing for Israelis to live with

One of the young men who was killed at the music festival was working there and according to his mother wasn't told the exact venue until 2 hours before it started [same for the partygoers] - that being so someone 'in the know' must have told Hamas or they would have paraglided into the wrong place. That to me is so horribly sinister and frightening

A month ago:

Reservist Major General Giora Eiland told Israeli media on Monday that Israel’s actions in “creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

They did it, didn't they?
They always say it openly, brazenly, why the world doesn't listen? Why are Palestinians still being exterminated in the most savage inhuman ways by the cowardly genociders?

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Not sure where to put this as it’s happened in USA. 3 teenagers shot yesterday

@EasterIssland How terrible. Where is this reported, please?

https://www.wcax.com/2023/11/26/police-say-three-shot-burlington/

It looks like the media are trying to play it down. Usually things like that are breaking news. Anyway, I hope they'll be fine. It is said the injuries are not fatal.

Posting this here for those saying that we shouldn’t Believe Hamas numbers

My goodness, this is awful. 😔
I wear mine often, at the moment to keep me warm when outside. I never even considered it could make me a target, I have lots of friends who wear them too.

But what if 50% of the population were children and unable to tell you where Hamas was? And many of their mums were too frightened on behalf of their children to point out Hamas (even assuming they knew). Tough shit on them all, eh. Just blow them up in their thousands. Job done! (Or not…considering we keep being told that the Hamas leaders are living in luxury outside of Gaza).

The Dahiya Doctrine: Israel has always used collective punishment
Zionist forces learned how to use colonial violence from the British Empire, says historian John Newsinger

https://socialistworker.co.uk/palestine-2023/the-dahiya-doctrine-israel-has-always-used-collective-punishment/

So the north is now almost uninhabitable. The population is pushed South and are being told to move near to the Rafah crossing. Hospitals gone, no aid allowed in. It looks like it's getting closer to the two aims of making Gaza uninhabitable and pushing the remaining population out.

I said this in the early days but I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to force the Palestinians into Sinai and/or neighbouring countries and for Israel to take over Gaza. Within about a week of 7/10 there were interviews about how badly settlers wanted back to Gush Katif (the settlement in Gaza).

I remember. Also, more recently, Israeli politicians push were suggesting the rest of the world should take 10 000 refugees each. I didn't want to think the world would let it happen, but here we are. They are about to destroy the South and push 2m starving, desperate people to the Rafah border.

Sorry, that was to @feralunderclass