TTC Super Ovulation part 2

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hey ladies,

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

Brownstag, I got the info sheet abut the tests emailed from Serum on Friday. I'd be happy to forward it to you if you PM me your email address.

Nice idea care, thanks for the positive thought. However I did get OV pains the past two cycles, my first two on Letrozole/Ovitrelle and I was just reading that if a follicle has no egg in it, you won't ovulate (and so no ovulation pains) so it's likely that's what happened.

Ari you never know you may very well of ovulated. You know at least there was a good looking follicle there. Don't count yourself out now. I thought the ovulation pain was when the follicle ruptures so you should have it anyway because you have had the trigger shot to encourage it to do that.

Ari and Eurochick, thanks, yes please, if either if you could send me the instructions/info sheet, that would be great. It's Sunday today, so I'm not sure where I can get a sterile phial, or whatever you have to use to put it in.
Also Ari, last month on the letrozole I had no ovary pain but I did ovulate. I also didn't feel any ovarian stimulation during the letrozole days, where I had done on Clomid previously. Do you not chart? I've been charting for so long that I still carry on even though I'm on the drugs. That way you can know you've ovulated for sure. Mine was a perfect chart last month (except without the pregnancy part!)
[url=www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35534f/][img]www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35534f//thumb.png[/img]
My Ovulation Chart[/url]
Also, as to periods on the letrozole, this period has been so heavy, with lots of clots. Yesterday, day 2, I flooded through tampon, knickers and jeans three times! The heaviest period of my life since having a 12-week miscarriage.

Don't think that link worked ...
My Ovulation Chart

If you just copy and paste the url and then click in the little box to the bottom left of the box you type in it will turn them into links for you without having to do all that twiddling about with brackets ;)

I give up.

Or put double square brackets around the link.

brownstag I'm happy to send you the sheet but I need an email address for you. I don't think I can send documents as a PM on here.

You can get a sample pot from Boots (and probably any chemist) for about 80p.

Thanks, have just sent a PM with it Eurochick I shall be off to Boots forthwith.
Does anyone else do fertility charting, by the way? It's a bit obsessive, but isn't everything to do with TTC a bit obsessive? I just like knowing for sure whether I've ovulated or not. Also, on natural cycles I always get a dip just before ovulation which gives you a bit of notice.

Ovulation Chart

Still didn't work, but I think it's Fertility Friend, not Mumsnet, that's the issue.

Brownstag think you need slightly different address

• is this yours?

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35534f

i can only see one chart, does that mean you haven't paid for the upgrade?

i actually gave up when i started SO but am going to start again now so i can chart through taking the anti b's and beyond to see what happens.
these are my charts from a while back

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/carebear1

Brownstag email sent. I hope it is helpful.

I am another charter. I've been doing it for over a year. I get nice charts but never a BFP. This is the link to my charts (current chart is very dull because I didn't see the point of temping alongside IVF but I am using it to record which drugs I am taking when plus the main side effects).

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/343af6

Thanks Carebear and Eurochick; nice charts. That is indeed my chart (well, there are two, one only just begun and my previous one) and I haven't paid for the upgrade; partly because I knew I would start obsessively searching for every conceivable variable. I was having some CBT at the time, and my counsellor had pointed out that the charting, the lining up of OPKs on the windowsill, the forums, the internet searches, etc. were all 'safety behaviours' to help me cope with the anxiety of TTC and not knowing whether I would ever be sucessful. So I tried to limit myself with the charting!

Morning ladies - Glad you got sorted out brownstag and to answer your question no I don't temp, I can't because I wake up (or rather, am woken up) at too many varied times by my DD, I'd never be able to take my temperature first on waking up and the times would vary too much.

I do use, or rather have until this month, the Clearblue Fertility Monitor, backing it up with Clearblue Digital OPKs, but I find that the Letrozole messes around with both of these so didn't use it this month. Neither would show 'true' ovulation either, since they just register spikes in LH/hCG and the Ovitrelle of course would show as a spike. I'll be very very surprised if I did ovulate this month; as I say, I always get ovulation pains, every single month, but of course I'll be delighted if I did. Not that I'll know, of course, unless I get that miraculous BFP ... but you know, that too would be Sod's Law, as I would be due to test (at 12 dpo, assuming I ovultated 36ish hours after the trigger shot) on Thu 12th and I fly to Spain on Fri 13th so no time to get intralipids! Would then be 2 weeks before I get back. So definitely would be Law of Sod if I did manage to get the BFP this month! Still, I'll worry about that if it happens!

care Can I ask what your regime is for the anti-bs - did Penny prescribe you the 25-day one, and does your OH have to take anti-bs too? Is she sending you a prescription through? And (if you don't mind me asking) did she charge you extra for interpreting your results and supplying you with a prescription, if she did? I'm just worried about the mounting costs .. I just sent my payment for the tests and that ended up at £226, which was more than I'd realised it would be.

Ari I would advise doing a test at 10dpo and then trying to get the intrallipids in before you go away if you get a BFP. I had my intrallipids at around 13 dpo this time but would have got them earlier if it didn't fall over a weekend. Will you be doing tests to check if the ovitrelle is out of your system first?
I tried charting for a while but I also would be woken up at different times in the morning by DD so it wasnt accurate for me either. I did find it quite obsessive as I was paranoid about going to bed at the same time every night so would try and not be out late etc - I felt like it ruined my social life!

Mmm that's the problem sue, my tests at 10dpo have all shown a very (very) faint line since starting SO indicating the Ovitrelle was only just clearing out of my system, so I really do need to wait till 12dpo to know if any line is genuine. Only thing I can do it test Thu morning and if by some miracle Lady Luck is smiling on me and I get a strong enough BFP to convince me, then I'll plead with NLC to either fit me in Thu afternoon or very first thing Fri since we fly out late afternoon. OH wouldn't be happy, but what else could I do? Other than wait 2 weeks! Anyway, I'm getting waaaaay ahead of myself; as I say, I'm not going to worry about it unless it happens.

Ari and Carebear I just sent my sample off for the Athens test this morning, just by ordinary post. Do you know how long it takes before you get the results?
As to charting, I wouldn't worry too much about the getting up and going to bed at the same time every day; all my charts have been clear enough to show ovulation despite periods of a) acute insomnia b) being woken up several times a night by DS and c) drunken nights out. Alcohol is the thing that affects it most, I find. After you've been doing it for a few months you get to be a bit of an expert and so you don't need to do it every day, just the times approaching ovulation and a few days afterwards. And I do like that reassurance of knowing I ovulated. It's also nice when the software agrees with your OPK.
Interesting that your tests showed faint lines from the Ovitrelle, Ari; this was my first month of using it, and I started testing at 6dpo (yeah, right) all the way through and I had no lines at all until that evaporation line at 13dpo.

ari what you could do is speak to Louise and ask if you could get the prescription sent across and book the appointment for thurs pm or fri am and then cancel it if you don't get a bfp. They don't charge for cancellations due to all the CPs. Louise might not agree to doing it so if you think there is a slight chance you might get a bfp you could lie and say you have a bfp already. They might not have any appointments anyway.

Hi all, just to add when I tested after my first SO treatment I tested at 10 DPO and jumped for joy when I got a 'pregnant 1 - 2 weeks' on the Clearblue only to test the very next morning for a BFN. I guess a good sign would be to test day 9, 10 and 11 to see if the line gets stonger or weaker. Is it possible to go from strong lines to ziltch and then back again? Next Monday is day 11 for me. 'Ari' when did you take the Ovitrelle? I am almost in the same boat as you ie going to Isle of Wight Saturday week. If I do need intralipids I have 4 days to arrange it? Anyway good luck to both of us.

Next Monday (9th) day 11 for me too, Abney! Sounds like you've had as disappointing a first month of SO as I did.

Hi Brownstag that's good so that is at least 3 of us testing next week. More BFP's please. Made me laugh about the first SO scan, I am on my 5th SO attempt now . I am glad in a way because it gave me chance to see what people were saying about Hydroxy which I have now been on for more than 6 weeks. This is when I am told it kicks in.

Sorry to intrude but I'm hoping this is the right place to ask for advice on Letrozole. DH and I have been TTC 2.5yrs and are finally in the system. First appt. not till October though. Tests and swabs have all come back 'normal' according to GP. In the meanwhile though I've been given one cycle's worth of the tablets by my family ob-gyn back in ME/Asia who suggested 'having a go'. GP and home ob-gyn both said not to chart (very irregular so OPKs not much use either) so I don't even know when I ovulate, if at all.
My question is whether there's any point to it given that it won't be monitored and there are no injections etc. to go with it. DH very keen on trying it out but I'm so stressed out that I doubt anything will work so is it worth yet more disappointment?

BetteronaCamel (love the name) Yes, there is a point in trying. In fact, when I was given Clomid on the NHS I wasn't scanned, just had a day 21 progesterone test. The rest I did myself with OPKs and charting. If you're used to charting I would definitely continue. I get a dip before ovulation which gives me a bit of notice; along with the OPK I could pinpoint ovulation and confirm it with a temperature shift. Didn't work though, but as Mr S says, Clomid should never be given to the over 35s and I'm 41. With the Clomid I was told to have sex days 10 to 20. On Letrozole I ovulated day 13, so if we'd done that, that would have covered it.

Abney, sorry I misunderstood. You meant 11dpo, I meant CD11, when I have my scan with someone else in Harley Street as Mr S is away. Good luck for next week!

BetteronaCamel, just thought - my answer then was thinking only about the efficacy of letrozole, but I suppose there are other issues of not being monitored, and that is the small possibility of multiples, plus any other negative side effects that might usually cause the cycle to be abandoned. Incidentally, you might be able to find a private clinic that will do just a one-off scan. Mr S is away when I need mine next week and I looked into one locally, in Tunbridge Wells, and they would do one for £250.