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We need to change the conversation around breastfeeding

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pisces5891 · 18/10/2026 21:28

I am writing this post knowing that it will potentially kick off a bit of hornet's nest. I'm just really fed up with how much pressure there is on women to breastfeed, when all the evidence suggests that a significant number of women simply cannot exclusively breastfeed. I would even hazaard a guess that more than 50% of women cannot exclusively breastfeed. Its making women miserable and is the number one cause of post natal depression. Enough!!!

When I tried to breastfeed, I had real trouble providing enough supply for my baby. I was told that with the right support, almost every woman can breastfeed. I received help from 3 different lactation consultants. the first told me, less than 5% of women have actual low supply, and if low supply was really true of a lot of women, then the human race would have died out. This is objectively speaking totally false. Historically, women would share feeding of babies with other lactating women, and even then, lots of babies died. So the fact that the human race still exists is absolutely not evidence that the majority of women have enough supply. the second lactation consultant told me that if there was no formula, I would have found a way to exclusively breastfeed. this is also not true. My mother grew up in a tiny village overseast, where there was no access to formula. And she told me that it was rare that one woman would exclusively feed their own child, it was normal that it would be shared amongst the group and in the case that there were not enough other lactating women, they would put the baby at the teet of a goat in order to feed it because it was understood that it would be rare that a mother could exclusively feed her child from her breast. In my nct group, there are 10 women. One chose to formula feed from birth. The other 9 all wanted to exclusively breastfeed. only 2 of them are. and every single one of those 9 had the support of private lactation consultants, so we cannot say they are unsupported. A variety of issues from latch to supply to mastitis- so many problems that we all tried desperately to resolve, and we couldnt.

The third lactation consultant actually watched and listened to me breastfeeding and told me that my baby was not transferring enough milk. She was the only one of the 3 lactation consultants who had actually worked in a nicu ward and was able to recognise the signs of hunger. my baby thankfully was not starving but had I listened to the first 2 Lactation consultants, I think she would have been . This lactation consultant told me that it is very common on the Nicu ward to find very thin very hungry babies of mother's who are desperate to exclusively breastfeed, the babies are literally starving, drawn, crying and lethargic, because they are not being fed enough.

mixed feeding needs to be a system that is properly introduced to mothers. Mother's need to also be shown what an actual wet nappy looks like. I was told 6 to 8 wet nappies were a sign that my baby was getting enough food. Now that she is getting enough food because she's mixed fed, I can see what an actual wet nappy looks like, and it's really heavy compared to what it looked like when I was breastfeeding her.

I think this is a real issue and mumsnet is partly to blame for it, because the amount of threads I see where someone posts that they're struggling with breastfeeding, and they're told to keep going even when their baby is dropping centiles. It's the latch! It's tongue tie! Try an osteopath! Breastfed babies always lose weight! Its ok to drop centiles! You'll get there! It gets easier! Please PLEASE stop advising women to keep going no matter what, because in some instances, those women and there babies will end up in emergency care. Of course, many breastfeeding problems can be overcome with the right support, but in my experience, it sometimes never resolves, and the absolutely right and moral thing to do is to introduce the bottle.

I'm not blaming women here; the fault is in the system. Breastfeeding needs to be properly researched, but like all womens health, it's ignored.

I am still breastfeeding my baby girl, we mix feed very successfully. For anyone reading this struggling with breastfeeding, know that you're not alone.

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MellowSubmarine · 18/10/2026 21:33

I would even hazard a guess that more than 50% of woman cannot exclusively breastfeed

Its the number one cause of post natal depression

I think you do raise some good points. But the above are nonsense you’ve just decided to be true.

And I don’t believe at all that it is “very common” to find “literally starving” babies on the NICU ward.

Lottie6712 · 18/10/2026 21:34

I'm sorry you've had such a difficult experience. I personally was given so much pressure to formula feed, but managed to persevere with breastfeeding despite a lot of negativity - and I'm really glad I did. I've also seen a lot of threads about women struggling with breastfeeding on Mumsnet and I've never seen anyone say to keep persevering regardless of the situation. I've seen a lot of advice about making sure you get decent support (which everyone should get and not have to fight for...), but I've always uniformly seen people say, don't breastfeed if it's not something you actually want to do / is right for you and your baby and definitely don't do it if it's affecting your mental health because it's not worth it and obviously that's right!

FroggyThroat · 18/10/2026 21:36

I’m sorry that women are still being bashed by this stick.

There are lots of factors that contribute to being able to exclusively BF feed a baby. I was really lucky as I had loads of milk with both babies and a husband who bent over backwards to support me doing it.

Personally I think a mum should give it a go, but if it’s not going well switch to both and see if that helps and failing that use formula. At the end of the day the worst thing to happen is that the baby is hungry and not growing.

ThatLoudCat · 18/10/2026 21:42

I think your own experiences are clouding your view on this. Sorry you've had such a rough time with it.

Rodneyreindeer · 18/10/2026 21:43

I found the opposite, I wanted to breastfeed and there was a lot of pressure to stop. Every time I had an issue with the baby, like not sleeping everyone including health care professionals would tell me how it was basically my own fault for insisting on breastfeeding.

I did a lot of googling and reading studies during that period (a lot of night time feeding time to fill!) and the evidence seemed to be that with the right support it was actually unusual for women to not be able to breastfeed and that most women could actually breastfeed, they just received poor info and support that made them believe otherwise.

what I do think however is that breastfeeding is really bloody hard, and everyone pretends it isn’t. So women get a shock when they can’t do it easily (because it’s ‘natural’) and they’re not prepared for that. I also on the other hand found it infuriating that I’m told I’m ‘lucky’ I can do it, and it must’ve come easy to me. Or if I dare be proud of myself with no mention of what anyone else is doing I’m quickly told ‘fed is best!!! Don’t shame formula mums!’
so I suppose my experience is that there’s more support for formula feeding
im sorry you’ve had a bad experience though.

SwirlingAroundSleep · 18/10/2026 21:45

I had a massive oversupply and had no trouble breastfeeding. I was always extremely happy with that choice and the closeness I had with my babies as well as the fact that I had no need to sterilise or organise going out, so long as I had nappies (which tbf you can always buy when out anyway) I could walk out the house and know baby was fed for as long as I was out - that to me was true freedom.

My sister, on the other hand, struggled and had a low supply so ended up reluctantly combi-feeding, she wasn’t happy with that for her first but by her second baby was confident enough that it was ok she did it from the start.

the truth is that post-partum is a tricky time emotionally and anything can cause upset (breast feeding or not) and trigger PND.

i personally think it’s more concerning that so many women choose not to breastfeed at all given its health benefits for the baby and them. Of course some women won’t have any supply but many don’t even try, DPs mother and SIL seemed rather confused and intrigued by my choice to breast feed, the fact that my babies were total chunks (over 95th centile) definitely meant they didn’t doubt for a moment that I was feeding them enough but as they’d exclusively bottle fed they hadn’t even considered I would breast feed and many women don’t even consider it.

MyLifeInBooks · 18/10/2026 21:48

I think some of what you say is very true. But it does make me wonder... because it can take 2-3 days for the milk to come in to feed your baby sufficiently. With DC1 mine took 3 days, by that point I had switched to formula as pressured by the hospital midwife and was told not to mix the 2 as it would confuse the baby.

I mixed the 2, DC1 had a happy childhood and is now a fully functioning adult.

DC2 I just told them I would use formula. But once home, I did the same as with DC1 ... so statistically, I am asking myself who would tell the truth? How big is the fear of being reprimanded? Or labelled a bad mother?

ScaredButUnavoidable · 18/10/2026 21:51

If a NICU is full of thin, starving, crying, lethargic and hungry premature babies then the unit needs shutting down.

Do you HONESTLY believe NICU nurses and doctors just stand back and watch premature babies starve?

Babies in the NICU usually have strict feeding schedules to ensure they receive all the calories they need (if not more), and most of them aren't even old enough/well enough to breastfeed, and are given set volumes of milk through nasogastric tubes.

I don’t know what that Lactation Consultant’s agenda was, but she was clearly talking rubbish, talking nonsense to try and reassure you or simply shit stirring.

LVPLVT · 18/10/2026 21:51

Hmm I agree that if a baby is showing signs of malnutrition it should obviously be fed by any means. Mixed feeding definitely has a place. However, introducing regular formula to a baby doesn’t generally bode well for a long breastfeeding journey. Every time you feed via formula rather than breast, you are effectively telling your body that it doesn’t need to make that extra bit of milk. Generally, babies will end up needing more formula as time goes on as the mother’s supply diminishes.

Every woman who wishes to breastfeed should leave hospital having seen an infant feeding worker who has ensured that the baby has an effective latch with good milk transfer.

I kind of had the opposite experience to you where a registrar in the jaundice clinic did the day 3 or 5 weigh and said she had lost too much weight and I needed to introduce formula immediately. I challenged it as I understood the loss to be normal. He called the infant feeding team who told him it was completely in the normal range. He still told me to introduce formula. I didn’t, and if I had, I probably wouldn’t have ended up breastfeeding her for 18 months.

Worriedallthetime123 · 18/10/2026 21:55

Rodneyreindeer · 18/10/2026 21:43

I found the opposite, I wanted to breastfeed and there was a lot of pressure to stop. Every time I had an issue with the baby, like not sleeping everyone including health care professionals would tell me how it was basically my own fault for insisting on breastfeeding.

I did a lot of googling and reading studies during that period (a lot of night time feeding time to fill!) and the evidence seemed to be that with the right support it was actually unusual for women to not be able to breastfeed and that most women could actually breastfeed, they just received poor info and support that made them believe otherwise.

what I do think however is that breastfeeding is really bloody hard, and everyone pretends it isn’t. So women get a shock when they can’t do it easily (because it’s ‘natural’) and they’re not prepared for that. I also on the other hand found it infuriating that I’m told I’m ‘lucky’ I can do it, and it must’ve come easy to me. Or if I dare be proud of myself with no mention of what anyone else is doing I’m quickly told ‘fed is best!!! Don’t shame formula mums!’
so I suppose my experience is that there’s more support for formula feeding
im sorry you’ve had a bad experience though.

This was also my experience. I received nothing but pressure to stop, and when I mentioned anything, like when baby didn’t sleep- it was my fault because I was breastfeeding.

I think women get pressure both ways, you’re criticised if you do and if you don’t. Same as working mothers vs SAHMs. It’s really rough and I’m sorry OP has had such a difficult experience. There’s no easy option I don’t think, it would just be better if there was more support either way.

seahorsessky · 18/10/2026 21:56

There is a lot less pressure than in the past, from what I'm told? Friends who had kids earlier than me, before the "fed is best" thing got a lot more pressure. I remember going with a friend who had her kids long before I had them, to a Sure Start in the noughties, and breastfeeding posters were everywhere-even as a non-mum I got the idea of how much pressure compared to now, and more than one older woman told me their midwives pressured them and said nasty stuff if they didn't bf, and no one I know who had babies when I did or later got this pressure. I'm not saying the same applies to everyone obviously, but at least in my area, it seems there has been a lot less pressure over the last decade or so. I'm sorry if that's not the case in your health trust, OP.

bababamama · 18/10/2026 21:58

If 50% (your figure) cannot breastfeed, how comes many countries have rates far higher eg Australia has 74% exclusively breastfeeding at 6 months. The issue isn’t ability to breastfeed, it’s timely and appropriate support.

ScaredButUnavoidable · 18/10/2026 21:59

MyLifeInBooks · 18/10/2026 21:48

I think some of what you say is very true. But it does make me wonder... because it can take 2-3 days for the milk to come in to feed your baby sufficiently. With DC1 mine took 3 days, by that point I had switched to formula as pressured by the hospital midwife and was told not to mix the 2 as it would confuse the baby.

I mixed the 2, DC1 had a happy childhood and is now a fully functioning adult.

DC2 I just told them I would use formula. But once home, I did the same as with DC1 ... so statistically, I am asking myself who would tell the truth? How big is the fear of being reprimanded? Or labelled a bad mother?

Babies only need 5-10mls of colostrum per feed for the first few days of life.

Colostrum starts being produced in the second trimester so it’s all there ready and waiting for when the baby is born.

The colostrum then transitions into what we know as “breast milk” on days 3-4 as an average as the babies colourific needs increase and they need more volume.

The reason why so many women have unsuccessful breastfeeding experiences is because aren't properly informed antenatally, they don’t know what to expect or what is normal, they aren't supported with latching after birth or taught how to assess how well the baby is transferring milk and when they do ask for help because the baby is losing weight they get poor advice from people who aren’t skilled/knowledgable in lactation.

I’ve worked in Infant feeding for 16 years and absolutely nothing has changed. I see the same thing over, and over, and over again.

It’s demoralising and heartbreaking in equal measure.

Airconfan · 18/10/2026 21:59

Everyone knows breastmilk is scientifically best for babies but it doesn’t take into account mental health sleep deprivation etc.

I don’t like fed is best as it takes away the fact that breastmilk is better but I hate breast is best as it adds so much pressure to mums who are already struggling.

For me there was so much pressure to formula feed. I breastfed but the comments to add in formula so they sleep better got to me and it made no difference. I feel which ever way you feed your baby someone has an opinion and makes you feel it’s the wrong choice.

filchscat · 18/10/2026 22:02

I agree with you. It’s such a deeply personal thing though. I was adamant that I wanted to bf with my second baby after not being able to with my first. I had a c section and those first few days were hellish as my milk didn’t come in and she just screamed constantly. I had no choice but to combi feed which was the worse of both worlds really - still waking up to pump but having all the faff of sterilising and making bottles too. I just remember being so exhausted and sad. I posted on here and people were genuinely so kind. I remember someone saying “you don’t need permission to stop”. When I did the relief was immense and i actually started to enjoy being a mum again. She stopped screaming, i stopped crying and our happiness was worth more to me.

I also know people who pushed through those first few horrific days and managed to successfully establish breastfeeding and i totally applaud them for that. I wish in some ways I’d been able to but ultimately i wasn’t cut out for it.

I really hate the judgement and belittling on both sides. It really shouldn’t be a competition or even anyone else’s business how we choose to feed our own babies.

PancakeCloud · 18/10/2026 22:02

I’m sorry for your experience, that sounds awful. I also felt the pressure to breastfeed was extreme and when I looked into it I was surprised at how moderate the proven benefits of breastmilk actually are relative to the messaging. Anecdotally, I also met lots of women with supply issues so 5% seems low.

I think we need honest messaging so women can make informed decisions. There also needs to be better more consistent support for breastfeeding. Telling women breastfeeding is important but not supporting them to do it is awful and leaves women feeling they’ve failed.

I also agree we need more information on combo feeding. You always get someone trotting out combo feeding leads to stopping breastfeeding - maybe that wouldn’t happen if there was better info and support for combo feeding out there.

Having said that I combo fed one child and EBF the other and enjoyed the experience both times so do think in some cases BF can help with post natal mental health.

stichguru · 18/10/2026 22:03

The trouble is it's so hard to get a happy medium - I was a mum who breastfed very successfully after a tricky start. If there was less momentum to breastfeed, there'd be less support, less support would mean less mum's who wanted to breastfeed but struggled, ever succeeded.

OtterlyAstounding · 18/10/2026 22:07

bababamama · 18/10/2026 21:58

If 50% (your figure) cannot breastfeed, how comes many countries have rates far higher eg Australia has 74% exclusively breastfeeding at 6 months. The issue isn’t ability to breastfeed, it’s timely and appropriate support.

Absolutely. While not everyone can breastfeed, I think the number who physically cannot is much, much lower than 50%. I agree that not being properly educated and supported are the main issues.

Although of course, no one should feel like they have to breastfeed if they don't want to for whatever reason. Personally, like others, I had much more negativity around my BFing decisions than the FF mums around me received, as people seem to feel more comfortable criticising BFing than FFing.

AnneLovesGilbert · 18/10/2026 22:09

You’ve had a rough experience and you’re making a lot of stuff up.

British women’s breasts aren’t different to those of women in many other countries which have much higher rates of breastfeeding.

Breastfeeding is thought to reduce a new mum’s risk of PND.

NICU wards are not full of starving infants, that’s absolute bollocks.

Unless your mother is hundreds of years old the story about infant feeding in her village sounds highly improbable.

Good luck with mixed feeding. You clearly think there’s an advantage to breastfeeding as you’ve resolved to continue with it.

Someonesomewhereinsummertime · 18/10/2026 22:11

I'm sorry your going through this OP. I wish I hadn't continued to breast feed. I found it painful and wanted to stop, but my midwife said I'd feel too guilty if I stopped and that she wouldn't help me if I did stop, as her job was to encourage breast feeding. At that time, I don't think they encouraged combi feeding - she told me not to anyway. I breast fed for 8 months and hated it, I literally dreaded my baby waking up for a feed. Looking back now I think I was an idiot for carrying on, but my midwife was so negative about me stopping that I felt I didn't have a choice. It led to lots of problems with me bonding with my baby.

MildlyUnimpressed · 18/10/2026 22:12

So much of what you’ve posted is made up nonsense. Why did you feel the need to do it, post made up crap like the 50% stat?

whyohwhyohwhyohwhyohwhyohwhy · 18/10/2026 22:15

I couldnt breastfeed my first and didn’t even want to attempt it with my second. Most of my friends breastfed but there was no judgement either way. Not from medical professionals bar one or two. I think it’s easy to get fixated on it but it only really matters to you.

Giraffeteether · 18/10/2026 22:33

I agree with you. I've had objectively awful times feeding both of my babies, with one I was filled up to the gills on medication to try and inrease my milk (not in the UK) and triple feeding for 6 months, the other I've had to pump every three hours because baby has an ineffective latch, even after TT release, and doesn't transfer more than an Oz while nursing. With both I've still had to keep at least one bottle of formula a day in, because even with all the triple feeding, pumping, pills etc I don't make enough ml.

All I've heard from lactation consultants, midwives, health visitors and nurses is "great work, keep going, it's hard but you can do hard things (etc.)", and "let's try and wean him off the artificial feeding (one bottle a day) and get him back to breastmilk only" and then in the next breath "but he's very small and skinny, could you do some more skin-to-skin/power pumping/let's so some blood tests". Nothing is ever found, so it's back to just trying harder to breastfeed, like "set an alarm in the night in between baby's feeds to get an extra pump in while everyone is asleep".

I wish I'd had them 30 years ago when formula wasn't so demonized. My mum doesn't remember any of this with me or my brother - we had poor latches, went straight to formula, and grew exactly as we were supposed to. None of this pumping 8 times a day for 20 minutes+latching+bottles all while I'm supposed to be looking after a toddler, not using screens, and providing enriching activities. I can't deal with the shame of full time formula feeding though, I don't know anyone else who uses it and feel like I'd be judged for giving up if I stopped.

FruAashild · 18/10/2026 22:37

The UK is very anti breastfeeding and has much lower rates of BFing than other countries. That is the main issue, there are so many myths about BFing. If a woman's mother hasn't breastfed then how can she support her DD or DIL?

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