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We need to change the conversation around breastfeeding

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pisces5891 · 18/10/2026 21:28

I am writing this post knowing that it will potentially kick off a bit of hornet's nest. I'm just really fed up with how much pressure there is on women to breastfeed, when all the evidence suggests that a significant number of women simply cannot exclusively breastfeed. I would even hazaard a guess that more than 50% of women cannot exclusively breastfeed. Its making women miserable and is the number one cause of post natal depression. Enough!!!

When I tried to breastfeed, I had real trouble providing enough supply for my baby. I was told that with the right support, almost every woman can breastfeed. I received help from 3 different lactation consultants. the first told me, less than 5% of women have actual low supply, and if low supply was really true of a lot of women, then the human race would have died out. This is objectively speaking totally false. Historically, women would share feeding of babies with other lactating women, and even then, lots of babies died. So the fact that the human race still exists is absolutely not evidence that the majority of women have enough supply. the second lactation consultant told me that if there was no formula, I would have found a way to exclusively breastfeed. this is also not true. My mother grew up in a tiny village overseast, where there was no access to formula. And she told me that it was rare that one woman would exclusively feed their own child, it was normal that it would be shared amongst the group and in the case that there were not enough other lactating women, they would put the baby at the teet of a goat in order to feed it because it was understood that it would be rare that a mother could exclusively feed her child from her breast. In my nct group, there are 10 women. One chose to formula feed from birth. The other 9 all wanted to exclusively breastfeed. only 2 of them are. and every single one of those 9 had the support of private lactation consultants, so we cannot say they are unsupported. A variety of issues from latch to supply to mastitis- so many problems that we all tried desperately to resolve, and we couldnt.

The third lactation consultant actually watched and listened to me breastfeeding and told me that my baby was not transferring enough milk. She was the only one of the 3 lactation consultants who had actually worked in a nicu ward and was able to recognise the signs of hunger. my baby thankfully was not starving but had I listened to the first 2 Lactation consultants, I think she would have been . This lactation consultant told me that it is very common on the Nicu ward to find very thin very hungry babies of mother's who are desperate to exclusively breastfeed, the babies are literally starving, drawn, crying and lethargic, because they are not being fed enough.

mixed feeding needs to be a system that is properly introduced to mothers. Mother's need to also be shown what an actual wet nappy looks like. I was told 6 to 8 wet nappies were a sign that my baby was getting enough food. Now that she is getting enough food because she's mixed fed, I can see what an actual wet nappy looks like, and it's really heavy compared to what it looked like when I was breastfeeding her.

I think this is a real issue and mumsnet is partly to blame for it, because the amount of threads I see where someone posts that they're struggling with breastfeeding, and they're told to keep going even when their baby is dropping centiles. It's the latch! It's tongue tie! Try an osteopath! Breastfed babies always lose weight! Its ok to drop centiles! You'll get there! It gets easier! Please PLEASE stop advising women to keep going no matter what, because in some instances, those women and there babies will end up in emergency care. Of course, many breastfeeding problems can be overcome with the right support, but in my experience, it sometimes never resolves, and the absolutely right and moral thing to do is to introduce the bottle.

I'm not blaming women here; the fault is in the system. Breastfeeding needs to be properly researched, but like all womens health, it's ignored.

I am still breastfeeding my baby girl, we mix feed very successfully. For anyone reading this struggling with breastfeeding, know that you're not alone.

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ThatMintMember · 19/10/2026 11:25

ScaredButUnavoidable · 19/10/2026 10:46

At one point I was training to be a Breastfeeding Counsellor with the NCT and at the end of my first year I had to attend some of the Breastfeeding Sessions they do with the expectant couples and they sell an image of how lovely and easy breastfeeding will be, with absolutely no discussion about the potential difficulties women will face. It felt like the women were being set up to fail.

If any of those women faced a common problem I’m pretty sure they would have started introducing formula because they hadn’t been informed about potential complications and how to manage them without jeopardising breastfeeding and instead would have just assumed they had somehow “done it wrong” or think they “couldn’t do it” etc.

I didn’t complete my training as it wasn’t an Ethos I wanted to be part of.

Honestly the whole NCT experience wasn't overly useful. It didn't prepare me well for labour or once the baby had arrived and I needed to feed him. They were both downplayed for how difficult they'd be. Almost every woman in my group had a fairly traumatic birth with interventions, the only one who had a truly positive experience had an elective csection. The only good thing was it gave me some friends for on maternity leave!

It would be far more useful to actually teach us what to expect from labour and breastfeeding!

HairsprayBabe · 19/10/2026 11:27

@MistyCats and there in lies the issue, while on a personal individual level it is perfectly fine to feed your baby however best suits your family from a public health level it would be better to have as many people as possible breastfeeding for at least 6m ideally all the way to one.

That is all practicality and emotion aside.

WashinIsNeverDone · 19/10/2026 11:29

I have exclusively fed 4 baby's mixed fed 1. And all the babies have done differnt things. We've had a tounge tie. One drop centiles. One got really big. Both bf. One just gained consistently. Mixed fed baby dosent sleep longer and is just as clingy.

All through my journey ive been told it would be easy if I formula fed. Any problems aww its because your breastfeeding. Well mixed fed baby proved otherwise. Plan for her was to bf at the start then move to bottles but it was easier to mix feed.

SwirlingAroundSleep · 19/10/2026 11:31

PancakeCloud · 18/10/2026 22:39

Why is it a mother’s job to support her daughter to breastfeed? Weird comment.

My mother helped me. The fact that my mother, grandmother and great grandmothers etc. have all breastfed means they knew how to help. One of my kindest memories was my mother bringing me a big drink every time I sat down to feed (the thirst is immense and she knew that) and another time bringing me a bowl of beans with bread and butter.

Also, my first had a tongue tie and left welts on me, my mom knew that wasn’t right and so I used nipple shields and we looked into the tongue tie. The fact that there is only a fortnightly clinic with one midwife trained to cut tongue ties in my county meant a 3 week weight to fix this, midwives were berating me for my son not gaining weight quickly enough but as soon as his tongue tie was cut he thrived.

The issues with feeding babies are many and complex but shocking services like that would mean most women quit.

When at just over one years old my son later got what in retrospect was probably Covid, had a raging temperature for days (I repeatedly took him to the doctors who had no idea why he was unwell) and refused all food and drink he still accepted breastfeeding because it was comfort. I will never forget that and remember that in times of hardship (no money, war, illness) being able to breastfeed my children would have been an immense help. Biologically it is an evolutionary advantage to be able to breastfeed. When Covid hit and people selfishly started stockpiling formula I had no worries as I had food on tap.

Life is random and maybe we don’t all need to plan for wars, natural disasters and poverty but in all of those instances breastfeeding would be the best option.

chickencaesersalad · 19/10/2026 11:36

I think a lot of your ‘facts’ are nonsense and I think you are letting your personal experience cloud your judgment. I advise everyone to take OPs post with a huge pinch of salt.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 19/10/2026 11:36

HairsprayBabe · 19/10/2026 10:35

@pisces5891 I am sorry you has a difficult journey, and I am really glad you are doing so well now but I have to ask where have you been? I have been on MN since I was 19, long before I had kids (at 28) and I only ever saw stories of how hard breastfeeding is, literally eveyone talks about the challenges of breastfeeding.

On social media - the message pretty much across the board is that BF is hard and painful and knackering. We don't need more of this messaging. We need more support.

WHO is clear that the levels of women who can't BF are around 5% (for various reasons)

Look at Australia, Norway and Sweden at 6 months nearly around 70% of babies are still breastfed. These countries have a similar PND rates 10-15% as the UK. These women don't have super boobs, they have the same anatomy as British women.

Saying "so many more women cant breastfeed and BF causes PND is just buying into anti-breastfeeding sentiment encouraged by the formula companies.

The companies want you to think it is an almost impossible task - it benefits them if more women don't even try.

Agreed.... and I am one of the women who pursued several avenues to BF and wasnt able to do it successfully. It is possible for most women.
I also wish I'd known that it is easier with each child.

It's monetisation in the same way people are keeping kids in nappies until 3 + because nappies are super absorbent and its more comfortable and its being messaged that children will "let you know when they are ready" 🙄

SwirlingAroundSleep · 19/10/2026 11:38

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/breastfeeding-babies-during-war

‘Breastfeeding offers protection during emergencies, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). It is protective largely because of bioactive components, including antibodies and oligosaccharides, that fight off infection—most of which cannot be replicatedin formula. WHO recommends that breastfeeding start within the first hour of a newborn's life, that exclusive breastfeeding continues for the first six months of life, that foods in addition to breastmilk be given once children reach six months, and that breastfeeding is continued up to two years of age or beyond.
Formula feeding also provides nutrition, and is an alternative choice for parents, including those struggling to keep up breast milk production. Infants on formula, or other breastmilk substitutes, though, may be at higher risk for health issues during crisis situations due to contaminated water sources (powdered formula requires mixing with clean water), or contaminated formula. Consistent access to formula may also be an issue.’

Breastfeeding Babies During War

Breastfeeding Babies During War | Think Global Health

Parents from Ukraine and other countries in crisis struggle to breastfeed and formula feed their children

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/breastfeeding-babies-during-war

SwirlingAroundSleep · 19/10/2026 11:45

And as a final example, look at the US formula shortage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_infant_formula_shortage

i have a friend in America who had a baby with special needs who couldn’t breast feed due to muscle issues. She thankfully had chosen to express breast milk (having a baby born with severe and ongoing health issues and in NICU for a month meant she was desperate to give her the healthiest option) and it was bloody lucky she did given the national formula shortage meant there was nothing in her local area available when her baby was only a few month old.

HobGobblynne · 19/10/2026 11:47

Having had 4 children, what I'd like is for the conversation around feeding to stop altogether. If you want to ask for help, it should be available, but other than that should be off limits past "is the baby fed"

HairsprayBabe · 19/10/2026 11:47

The "Everyone Has A Bad Time" narrative is also confimation bias on social media - you are hardly going to follow someone who posts breastfeeding is so fun and wonderful all the time. It's boring and smug, so the louder voices in the space tend to be people who are struggling for what ever reason.

Look at this thread for example - the few people who have braved saying they had a positive experience and the responses either don't wholly believe them or suggest they are looking back with rose tinted glasses.

Some women love being pregnant - I HATED it, I don't tell people that are enjoying it that they aren't being 100% truthful

pisces5891 · 19/10/2026 11:47

Why are people so afraid of this point of view? I think breastfeeding would go better for a lot of women if there was more realism about how hard it is! As I've said already, I am super supportive of breastfeeding and I now love feeding my little one. The issue is that when women aren't told about the difficulties, they feel like an anomaly and a failure, even though they are neither of those things. I also think people stop breastfeeding too soon because there aren't real discussions about how to successfully mixed feed. It's fascinating to me how single minded people are about this. It just shows how tribal breastfeeding has become. it's natural I suppose, when something as important as this exists without proper research, proper understanding, people develop very strong emotion driven ideas about it. A few people have said my judgment has been clouded by my experience. quite the opposite, I feel my experience has clarified things for me; and if I have a second baby, ill definitely try again to breastfeed. but ill go in knowing that there's a proper possibility it won't work out, and that's ok.

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HairsprayBabe · 19/10/2026 11:51

@pisces5891 I am not afraid of anything, I just disagree with you pretty much in entirety and I think you are letting your personal experience colour your view of the topic while choosing to ignore the facts.

Like I said I don't care how families feed their babies on a personal/individual level but on a population level we should encourage a higher percentage of the population to breastfeed. How is that tribalism 😂or were you hoping for an echo chamber?

GintyMcGinty · 19/10/2026 11:52

Sorry you’ve had a bad experience but there are so many factual inaccuracies in your post.

You don’t help you care by peddling nonsense.

HairsprayBabe · 19/10/2026 11:52

@pisces5891 I would also love to know where you got the impression that it would all be plain sailing from day one, since the general message from across most sources is that it is hard and knackering and painful.

Where did you hear that it would be beautiful and easy?

MsWinkleWoman · 19/10/2026 12:00

When I breastfed my babies, the pressure on me to stop or combination feed was immense. I was told from the start it was very difficult to breastfeed, lots of women can’t do it, dad will miss out, granny will miss out, they need water, they’ll become reliant on me.. Non stop. People didn’t want me to be able to exclusively breastfeed.

We all need to do what’s right for ourselves and our babies and own our experiences. None of us have to explain our choices regarding feeding our babies.
Breastfeeding was a wonderful experience for me, and had I listened to those around me, I’d have missed out on that.

JT1999 · 19/10/2026 12:14

I didn't get much help at the hospital but thankfully one of the community midwives really helped, she spotted our baby had tongue tie which the hospital didn't spot and she gave me a nipple shield and showed me how to use it and actually spent enough time with me to show me useful positions. She gave me her personal mobile and said I could call her if I had any trouble and she would come and help, which she did do once on her day off. We were combination feeding at that point but over the next week she transitioned to fully breast feeding and my supply just kept improving, although one side does seem to make more than the other. She gets the odd bottle of expressed milk still but otherwise she breast feeds approx 2, sometimes 3 hours from the end of the last feed. I couldn't be more grateful to the midwife for going above and beyond, I managed to persuade her to take a nice bottle of bubbly as we'd been given a few and I knew I wouldn't be drinking them for a while.

HowNowBrownCow33 · 19/10/2026 12:37

My experience of breastfeeding has been very different. Not one person has told me to breastfeed, all I've had is people saying dont feel guilty if you need to introduce formula. Give your baby formula so you can leave her, give the baby formula so xyz can do a feed

Everyone I know who has had the slightest issue with breastfeeding has been advised to immediately introduce formula. I dont think the UK has a problem with pressure to breastfeed tbh

My baby dropped centiles and the solution from the NHS was to introduce formula, thats it. Ive had to really push for support to continue breastfeeding.

I saw a lactation consultant who basically said shes feeding fine, shes a C section baby and Id had a lot of fluids in the lead up to her birth so her weight was false inflated, she asked me what weight I was at that age and asked my mum and I was exactly the same weight and length so its probably just her.

I havent introduced formula and my baby is fine, she's gaining weight on a good trajectory just a slightly lower centile than she was born on. There wasnt even a problem and I was experiencing pressure to give her formula!

PancakeCloud · 19/10/2026 12:44

HowNowBrownCow33 · 19/10/2026 12:37

My experience of breastfeeding has been very different. Not one person has told me to breastfeed, all I've had is people saying dont feel guilty if you need to introduce formula. Give your baby formula so you can leave her, give the baby formula so xyz can do a feed

Everyone I know who has had the slightest issue with breastfeeding has been advised to immediately introduce formula. I dont think the UK has a problem with pressure to breastfeed tbh

My baby dropped centiles and the solution from the NHS was to introduce formula, thats it. Ive had to really push for support to continue breastfeeding.

I saw a lactation consultant who basically said shes feeding fine, shes a C section baby and Id had a lot of fluids in the lead up to her birth so her weight was false inflated, she asked me what weight I was at that age and asked my mum and I was exactly the same weight and length so its probably just her.

I havent introduced formula and my baby is fine, she's gaining weight on a good trajectory just a slightly lower centile than she was born on. There wasnt even a problem and I was experiencing pressure to give her formula!

I think it must depend on NHS trust because this is so wildly different to my experiences (both in last 3 years). Would be good if there were consistent and good support for those who need it across the country.

MistyCats · 19/10/2026 12:52

HairsprayBabe · 19/10/2026 11:27

@MistyCats and there in lies the issue, while on a personal individual level it is perfectly fine to feed your baby however best suits your family from a public health level it would be better to have as many people as possible breastfeeding for at least 6m ideally all the way to one.

That is all practicality and emotion aside.

What do you mean @HairsprayBabe? (Not being snarky, genuine question!). I don’t know much about public health but from what I understand, breast is best. If that’s a scientific fact it’s a scientific fact. Guilting mothers into this by just saying breast is best is not the answer though. If some mothers actively choose not to bf then ideally they’d be making a decision based on all the facts, which to me, includes information and facts about just how much better bf is. I mean, formula seems to be a pretty good second option when all is said and done. Then they can decide if, along with other emotional, physical and logistical elements, it’s something they want to do or not. And if some self-select out then maybe like a pp they can accept their decision without the guilt and turmoil. And likewise for those who for whatever reason can’t feed.

FWIW I had hugely positive births and bf for 18+ months with both DC. I was totally in awe of what my body was capable of actually so totally amazed by the whole thing, but felt like “I” had very little to do with it all. I simply trusted that it would be ok, that birth and bfing were what I was fundamentally designed for so somehow it would be all be ok. Fairweather hypnobirthing helped too. And I do believe mindset can make a difference.

But I totally agree that it’s almost impossible to be positive about birth without getting called smug. And once I hit 6m with my DC, the pressure to stop BFing came from all angles for all sorts of reasons. It felt right to continue so I did, but it wasn’t without side-eyes from many corners, mostly for their own preferences that had absolutely zero consideration for me or my babies.

Another example of women being damned if we do, damned if we don’t. Ultimately the right answer is that any mum should do what’s right for them.

C152 · 19/10/2026 12:58

I think you're right that women - and society more broadly - should have more open and honest discussions about this and many more subjects but, unfortunately, we live in a society where those who put their head above the parapet, get it shot off.

Where are women getting such input on their personal feeding choice though? Is it just that we use social media so much more than we used to? I chose not to breastfeed and my midwife didn't bat an eye, no one at the hospital commented, no one in my social circle did, nor did any strangers remark upon it when we were out. Do I just happen to live in an odd area where people keep their views to themselves, or are women putting this pressure on themselves?

My mother kept an information booklet that was given to all mothers in the 70s (in that hospital, anyway, I don't know if it was more widespread) and it had remarkably sensible and broad ranging advice in it - mothers would benefit from such a book being given out now. It basically said breastfeeding or formula feeding were personal choices and a happy mother and a fed baby were the best outcome, so do whatever makes those two things possible.

CuteOrangeElephant · 19/10/2026 13:07

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 19/10/2026 09:39

My mum exclusively breastfed 4 kids for up to 2 years each, by the time I had my first baby (who was breastfed for 6 months then switched to formula as I needed to take a breastfeeding unfriendly medication), we were no longer in contact. So no support or ancestral knowledge from her; but I do wonder if genetics have a part to play, or other upbringing factors.

Out of the last 25 births in my mums lineage, 23 have been vaginal, with the other 2 planned caesareans. Nobody has gone into labour and been unable to give birth vaginally. All bar 2 have then gone on to breastfeed for as long as they desire, and one of those was a caesarean. I do wonder if there’s a link there.

I didn't get any support from my mum as she lived abroad, but just knowing she was successful feeding me and my siblings was a boost.

My MIL had a really hard time breastfeeding my DH, so she was very skeptical towards breastfeeding. SIL didn't try with her children so mine were the first in the family to be breastfed. I don't blame her for being pessimistic, it's pretty obvious that my DH has a tongue tie so no wonder she struggled!

LikeABell · 19/10/2026 13:09

I think what’s difficult for women is that we are told ‘breast is best’ but the right support often isn’t there if things are difficult.

My mother and all my female relatives breastfed their babies with relatively little fuss, so I’d always assumed I’d have no trouble.

The reality was I had an horrendous time with breastfeeding both of my babies and became very ill both times, despite really wanting to give it a go and getting ‘support’ from midwives, health visitors and a La Leche league ‘BF consultant’.

With DC1, I was told to keep feeding through mastitis and put cabbage leaves down my bra to soothe my rock hard, purple breasts (advice from a midwife, HV and GP).

I ended up in hospital on an antibiotic IV with a dangerously high temperature and my breasts literally spirting out blood, which I can’t help feeling was down to all involved pushing the importance of breastfeeding above all else, including my health.

I tried again with DC2, and it was torture again. This time I had a LaLeche consultant who was obsessed with my positioning (nothing she advised helped) and just told me ‘it can be painful at first’ repeatedly even when six weeks in I was in tears at every feed.

I ended up in hospital again with an abscess in one breast and a very serious infection. It was a lovely older nurse who said to me very matter of factly ‘you’ve got a massive oversupply, which I’d guess is because you have quite flat nipples, so your baby is struggling to latch and sucking really hard to get her milk, causing your body to send signals that it needs to produce more milk’. So simple, but she was probably right and her ‘wisdom’ came from long life experience, not learning about breastfeeding in a book. She also said ‘you can stop…you don’t need to put yourself through this, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise’. I really needed to hear that.

I’m 100% pro breastfeeding, still. It’s what our bodies are meant to do - for most of us. But there has to be some common sense and all the ‘telling women what we should be doing’ and guilt stuff needs to go.

Iocanepowder · 19/10/2026 13:15

LikeABell · 19/10/2026 13:09

I think what’s difficult for women is that we are told ‘breast is best’ but the right support often isn’t there if things are difficult.

My mother and all my female relatives breastfed their babies with relatively little fuss, so I’d always assumed I’d have no trouble.

The reality was I had an horrendous time with breastfeeding both of my babies and became very ill both times, despite really wanting to give it a go and getting ‘support’ from midwives, health visitors and a La Leche league ‘BF consultant’.

With DC1, I was told to keep feeding through mastitis and put cabbage leaves down my bra to soothe my rock hard, purple breasts (advice from a midwife, HV and GP).

I ended up in hospital on an antibiotic IV with a dangerously high temperature and my breasts literally spirting out blood, which I can’t help feeling was down to all involved pushing the importance of breastfeeding above all else, including my health.

I tried again with DC2, and it was torture again. This time I had a LaLeche consultant who was obsessed with my positioning (nothing she advised helped) and just told me ‘it can be painful at first’ repeatedly even when six weeks in I was in tears at every feed.

I ended up in hospital again with an abscess in one breast and a very serious infection. It was a lovely older nurse who said to me very matter of factly ‘you’ve got a massive oversupply, which I’d guess is because you have quite flat nipples, so your baby is struggling to latch and sucking really hard to get her milk, causing your body to send signals that it needs to produce more milk’. So simple, but she was probably right and her ‘wisdom’ came from long life experience, not learning about breastfeeding in a book. She also said ‘you can stop…you don’t need to put yourself through this, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise’. I really needed to hear that.

I’m 100% pro breastfeeding, still. It’s what our bodies are meant to do - for most of us. But there has to be some common sense and all the ‘telling women what we should be doing’ and guilt stuff needs to go.

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Sorry you went through this.

I agree that I could have done with someone telling me much earlier on that it was ok to stop trying and putting myself through hell. So that is what I do tell other new mums now.

Iocanepowder · 19/10/2026 13:18

HairsprayBabe · 19/10/2026 09:48

The reason that it is more challenging for an induced birth or CS birth to have a successful feeding journey is layered

  1. trauma to the body/recovery - even a positive elective CS is massive trauma to the body, induced and augmented births are also physically "harder" than a SVD because of the syntocinon contractions
  2. hormones, we know the oxytocin is the birth and breastfeeding hormone, this is either not present in a CS birth or disrupted by synthetic hormones in an augmented/induced birth
  3. IV fluids, this is often hugely overlooked - babies whos mothers are given IV fluid drips as part of their intrapartum care have elevated birth weights this means when they are weighed at day 5 and 10 they can often appear to have lost a much higher percentage of weight than they actually have and mum panics that it is because she is not producing enough

on top of already stretched support services it is not surprising that the rates in these groups are lower.

I’m glad someone has recognised issues with this.

I will never forget me having to try and (very unsuccessfully) breastfeed DC1 after a cat 1 EMCS after a failed induction and 2 days of contractions, while I was still shaking.

HairsprayBabe · 19/10/2026 13:31

@MistyCats
So "breast is best" is absolutely true but we don't raise babies in a vacuum - so on an individual level breast might not be best or even possible for a variety of health or socio/economic factors - these factors can be mitigated by good maternity policy but not always - for example a self employed new mother may not be able to take the time off working to have a successful 6 month + breastfeeding journey and continue to provide for her child financially. On an individual level there is a lot more to consider than the blanket messaging a national campaign has to deliver.

Nationally breastfeeding for 6-12m improves long term population level health outcomes for mother and baby so it makes sense that governments want to encourage that. The "should" is aimed at a population not at an individual.

Like we "should" aim for a massively lower c-section rate for better long term health outcomes on a population level - that is not an attack on any individual who has chosen or needed a c-section.

Guilting anyone is pointless and harmful but "should" on an individual level vs a population level are very different. The tricky part is how you get the individuals to do the behaviours you want from the population and move the ticker in the right direction for those better outcomes.

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