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We need to change the conversation around breastfeeding

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pisces5891 · 18/10/2026 21:28

I am writing this post knowing that it will potentially kick off a bit of hornet's nest. I'm just really fed up with how much pressure there is on women to breastfeed, when all the evidence suggests that a significant number of women simply cannot exclusively breastfeed. I would even hazaard a guess that more than 50% of women cannot exclusively breastfeed. Its making women miserable and is the number one cause of post natal depression. Enough!!!

When I tried to breastfeed, I had real trouble providing enough supply for my baby. I was told that with the right support, almost every woman can breastfeed. I received help from 3 different lactation consultants. the first told me, less than 5% of women have actual low supply, and if low supply was really true of a lot of women, then the human race would have died out. This is objectively speaking totally false. Historically, women would share feeding of babies with other lactating women, and even then, lots of babies died. So the fact that the human race still exists is absolutely not evidence that the majority of women have enough supply. the second lactation consultant told me that if there was no formula, I would have found a way to exclusively breastfeed. this is also not true. My mother grew up in a tiny village overseast, where there was no access to formula. And she told me that it was rare that one woman would exclusively feed their own child, it was normal that it would be shared amongst the group and in the case that there were not enough other lactating women, they would put the baby at the teet of a goat in order to feed it because it was understood that it would be rare that a mother could exclusively feed her child from her breast. In my nct group, there are 10 women. One chose to formula feed from birth. The other 9 all wanted to exclusively breastfeed. only 2 of them are. and every single one of those 9 had the support of private lactation consultants, so we cannot say they are unsupported. A variety of issues from latch to supply to mastitis- so many problems that we all tried desperately to resolve, and we couldnt.

The third lactation consultant actually watched and listened to me breastfeeding and told me that my baby was not transferring enough milk. She was the only one of the 3 lactation consultants who had actually worked in a nicu ward and was able to recognise the signs of hunger. my baby thankfully was not starving but had I listened to the first 2 Lactation consultants, I think she would have been . This lactation consultant told me that it is very common on the Nicu ward to find very thin very hungry babies of mother's who are desperate to exclusively breastfeed, the babies are literally starving, drawn, crying and lethargic, because they are not being fed enough.

mixed feeding needs to be a system that is properly introduced to mothers. Mother's need to also be shown what an actual wet nappy looks like. I was told 6 to 8 wet nappies were a sign that my baby was getting enough food. Now that she is getting enough food because she's mixed fed, I can see what an actual wet nappy looks like, and it's really heavy compared to what it looked like when I was breastfeeding her.

I think this is a real issue and mumsnet is partly to blame for it, because the amount of threads I see where someone posts that they're struggling with breastfeeding, and they're told to keep going even when their baby is dropping centiles. It's the latch! It's tongue tie! Try an osteopath! Breastfed babies always lose weight! Its ok to drop centiles! You'll get there! It gets easier! Please PLEASE stop advising women to keep going no matter what, because in some instances, those women and there babies will end up in emergency care. Of course, many breastfeeding problems can be overcome with the right support, but in my experience, it sometimes never resolves, and the absolutely right and moral thing to do is to introduce the bottle.

I'm not blaming women here; the fault is in the system. Breastfeeding needs to be properly researched, but like all womens health, it's ignored.

I am still breastfeeding my baby girl, we mix feed very successfully. For anyone reading this struggling with breastfeeding, know that you're not alone.

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AutumnHello453324 · 19/10/2026 13:46

I had the opposite and was pressured to formula feed. The slightest problem or complaint = stop BF. When we got to 6 months, the pressure went up exponentially. People (other than DH) don't even know I breastfed past age 1 as I lied about it.

I think this is more about motherhood. You are criticised whatever you do and there is a ton of pressure to get things perfectly.

BF is just the first of many experiences like this but it's particularly painful as 1) you're a new, tired mum and 2) newborns are so tiny and vulnerable.

SlightlyTerrifiedButPolite · 19/10/2026 14:13

It’s quite eye opening reading this thread. It seems like there’s no winning: women who want to breastfeed don’t receive the appropriate support and those who don’t breastfeed are shamed and guilted about it.

I am 22 weeks pregnant with my first and I have mixed feelings. I have a joint condition that’s exacerbated by pregnancy hormones and part of me wants to get back to a hormonal baseline asap post partum (I was told by my doctor that the women with my condition he’s seen make the best recovery post pregnancy didn’t breastfeed. Pretty sure he didn’t have an agenda either way re breastfeeding and was purely focused on my joints). I would like to be able to take my baby for walks, I can’t walk easily at the moment. At the same time I already feel guilty about the prospect of not breastfeeding. Dreading how my MIL will react to me not breastfeeding as well.

Interestingly I saw two friends on Friday night who had actually both kept feeding until their babies were 3, they just loved it as an experience and definitely weren’t preachy. It was nice to see it’s not all doom and gloom

I was 💯 formula fed. My mum had a really rough time with my older sister and then went straight to formula for me and my brother. Even knowing I was 💯 formula fed and I’m fine, I still find it hard to accept that’s the route I might go down

HowNowBrownCow33 · 19/10/2026 14:34

SlightlyTerrifiedButPolite · 19/10/2026 14:13

It’s quite eye opening reading this thread. It seems like there’s no winning: women who want to breastfeed don’t receive the appropriate support and those who don’t breastfeed are shamed and guilted about it.

I am 22 weeks pregnant with my first and I have mixed feelings. I have a joint condition that’s exacerbated by pregnancy hormones and part of me wants to get back to a hormonal baseline asap post partum (I was told by my doctor that the women with my condition he’s seen make the best recovery post pregnancy didn’t breastfeed. Pretty sure he didn’t have an agenda either way re breastfeeding and was purely focused on my joints). I would like to be able to take my baby for walks, I can’t walk easily at the moment. At the same time I already feel guilty about the prospect of not breastfeeding. Dreading how my MIL will react to me not breastfeeding as well.

Interestingly I saw two friends on Friday night who had actually both kept feeding until their babies were 3, they just loved it as an experience and definitely weren’t preachy. It was nice to see it’s not all doom and gloom

I was 💯 formula fed. My mum had a really rough time with my older sister and then went straight to formula for me and my brother. Even knowing I was 💯 formula fed and I’m fine, I still find it hard to accept that’s the route I might go down

Tbh I think as with anything you have to make the right decision for you and be confident in that.

Ive not been particularly harmed by the pressure to FF, its just irritating thats thats the first thing jumped to and many of my new parent friends have found similar, and support is difficult to access/costs money. Although I have had some difficulties establishing breastfeeding its been very positive overall.

Everything you do as a parent is always going to have a level of criticism, because people do things differently and no one wants to feel theyve done it wrong, so when you do it differently they criticise. You dont make decisions to please your MIL or please everyone in your NCT class. The "win" is making a decision your confident in that you feel is best for you and your child, your baby will be fine either way.

Allswellthatendswelll · 19/10/2026 14:46

PancakeCloud · 18/10/2026 23:14

How do you think the UK could be more pro breastfeeding? Genuine question because i think all the messaging / culture is very pro breastfeeding.

I think it's still quite unusual to see women feeding in public. My own mother, despite breastfeeding three babies, was always trying to get me to go into a cupboard! Also lots of quite rigid ideas about how babies should sleep and getting into routines. And a general lack of post partum support which is often crucial for establishing breastfeeding, such as good paternity leave or general having a village. Plus many influencers spouting nonsense about breastfeeding!

Obviously it's subjective though. If I'd struggled and felt pressured I'd feel different I'm sure.

Natsku · 19/10/2026 14:56

I'm in Finland and there wasn't any of this pressure to give formula except for topping up when my babies were newborns and lost 10% of their body weight (looking back I think this was unnessary with my 1st born who was unexpectedly massive when born but soon settled on the 50th centile so clearly wasn't meant to be that big, and with my youngest I was on an IV for 20 hours before he was born so probably overinflated birth weight again), though in the hospital they were given donor milk, not formula. With both babies I was never asked whether I intended to breastfeed, it was just assumed that I would so I was given advice on that and lots of encouragement in those first few days in the hospital (stayed in several days both times due to the weight loss).
Won't say it was smooth sailing, especially not with my first as her first night she was in SCBU and was given bottles there which caused some issues (when my youngest was given donor milk the hospital gave it in syringes which was much better) but knowing my mum breastfed me for a year helped, and support from other mums online, and I mixed fed her (about 90% breastfed with occasional bottles, which also helped as it really put me off switching to formula as I hated washing and sterilising bottles!). Was easier with my youngest as I had done it before and knew what to expect. I went to baby groups with my youngest and many other mums breastfed there, probably about half.

Allswellthatendswelll · 19/10/2026 14:57

OtterlyAstounding · 19/10/2026 08:09

I never even considered trying to seriously collect colostrum in my third trimester, and it would've been pointless as my body made it one tiny droplet at a time. If I'd thought I was supposed to pre-collect colostrum, I would've probably got stressed and worried over the fact that I wasn't able to - and yet your body's not supposed to make more than that as the baby hasn't been born.

Honestly, I don't think my babies got more than a couple of mouthfuls (if that!) at each very frequent feed (hourly, pretty much) in their first two and a half days of life, but I wasn't overly worried as I knew it takes about three days on average for your milk to come in. That's why most babies lose weight in the first week - it's normal. (As soon as my milk did come in though, they put on weight in record time.)

I feel like a lot of women expect to be giving their newborn noticeable quantities of fluids (colostrum or milk) immediately after birth, and can get really stressed and uptight when they don't, but that's just not generally the way it works.

Never collected any colostrum. Two c sections and one baby who started off formula fed in the NICU. EBF successfully both times.

january1244 · 19/10/2026 15:51

With the pre collecting colostrum, it’s tricky also. I collected a few 5 ml syringes, only to have half of them a bit wasted as the baby only needs a couple ml a feed. So def recommend smaller syringes if you’re going to do it. It took the pressure off though, having it as a backup. Wasn’t very publicised though in my trust (quite recently) so had to buy my own syringes and look online for info

Iocanepowder · 21/10/2026 06:55

OtterlyAstounding · 19/10/2026 08:09

I never even considered trying to seriously collect colostrum in my third trimester, and it would've been pointless as my body made it one tiny droplet at a time. If I'd thought I was supposed to pre-collect colostrum, I would've probably got stressed and worried over the fact that I wasn't able to - and yet your body's not supposed to make more than that as the baby hasn't been born.

Honestly, I don't think my babies got more than a couple of mouthfuls (if that!) at each very frequent feed (hourly, pretty much) in their first two and a half days of life, but I wasn't overly worried as I knew it takes about three days on average for your milk to come in. That's why most babies lose weight in the first week - it's normal. (As soon as my milk did come in though, they put on weight in record time.)

I feel like a lot of women expect to be giving their newborn noticeable quantities of fluids (colostrum or milk) immediately after birth, and can get really stressed and uptight when they don't, but that's just not generally the way it works.

The poster I was quoting said babies ‘only need 5-10mls per feed for the first few days of life’

What I was saying was that I could never get even nearly that out.

ScaredButUnavoidable · 21/10/2026 08:20

Iocanepowder · 21/10/2026 06:55

The poster I was quoting said babies ‘only need 5-10mls per feed for the first few days of life’

What I was saying was that I could never get even nearly that out.

And very, very few women can - and arent expected too.

Pregnant women should only be hand expressing colostrum 2-3 times a day for 15 minutes at a time, and it is expected they will only get 1ml or sometimes less per session, so a maximum of 2ml a day as an average. That is completel normal and means a weeks worth of antenatal colostrum expression would probably only cover one or two feeds for a brand new baby. It’s a huge amount of work for pregnant woman for very little reward.

Milk ejection is so heavily hormone based that of course colostrum isn’t going to come out a pregnant woman’s squeezed breast in the same way it does by an actual baby feeding from it after a woman has given birth and the correct hormones are at play.

Also, the different mechanisms of milk removal and the differences in hormonal processes that are involved with pumping are why a lot of women can breastfeed their babies absolutely fine yet when they try and pump milk they barely get anything despite having a good milk supply.

As has been said, it’s all about poor education and expectation setting and that is what is causing women to “fail” (in their eyes) or think they are doing something wrong.

I think this is why antenatal expression is not as commonly advised anymore. It makes women doubt themselves before the baby is even born.

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 21/10/2026 08:25

Allswellthatendswelll · 19/10/2026 14:46

I think it's still quite unusual to see women feeding in public. My own mother, despite breastfeeding three babies, was always trying to get me to go into a cupboard! Also lots of quite rigid ideas about how babies should sleep and getting into routines. And a general lack of post partum support which is often crucial for establishing breastfeeding, such as good paternity leave or general having a village. Plus many influencers spouting nonsense about breastfeeding!

Obviously it's subjective though. If I'd struggled and felt pressured I'd feel different I'm sure.

I think the knowledge is more out there now but there’s very little help for a lot of women.

When DC1 was born, she was 6lb and 37 weeks, very sleepy and hard to feed for weeks. In hospital I expressed colostrum and fed it to her via syringe but they insisted it wasn’t enough within hours (I was giving her 5ml every hour or couple of hours). I wish I had just told them to bugger off, but instead they handed me the tiny bottles of aptamil which I duly fed her a couple of times until it occurred to me to ask for a pump. Turns out they had these big Medela things sitting around but their first port of call was always formula, not to offer a breast pump to a mother who was clearly keen to breastfeed. Weird.

When DC2 was born I did tell them to bugger off and brought my own hand pump to the hospital.

CocoPlum · 21/10/2026 08:51

scoutzx · 19/10/2026 08:21

@MrsPapillon “Would feed for five minutes, fall asleep for 25 minutes and wake up for another 5 minute feed.”

Feeding multiple times in an hour is completely normal. Modern life makes breastfeeding on demand very hard.

I carried my babies in a sling and co slept, which made breastfeeding easier for me.

Lactation consultant here. If a mum described her baby feeding like this round the clock I'd have a lot of questions. That isn't sustainable and it's not normal.

AutumnHello453324 · 21/10/2026 09:55

Allswellthatendswelll · 19/10/2026 14:46

I think it's still quite unusual to see women feeding in public. My own mother, despite breastfeeding three babies, was always trying to get me to go into a cupboard! Also lots of quite rigid ideas about how babies should sleep and getting into routines. And a general lack of post partum support which is often crucial for establishing breastfeeding, such as good paternity leave or general having a village. Plus many influencers spouting nonsense about breastfeeding!

Obviously it's subjective though. If I'd struggled and felt pressured I'd feel different I'm sure.

@PancakeCloud I agree with @Allswellthatendswelll but I wanted to add that it's not enough to keep hammering the message about breast is best. My experience is that pro-BF in this country is all talk, without substance.

I had a very straightforward BF journey and yet I had an incredible amount of pressure to formula feed from the start:

  • inadequate advice from idiot midwife who, without any warning, shoved the tip of my nipple in the baby's mouth. Luckily I was educated on BF and I knew that that was the OPPOSITE of what you should do to get a good latch. But that one minute meant baby bit my nipple so BF on that side was painful for WEEKS.
  • after my c section, midwife said if I formula feed they can help me and give baby a feed so I can sleep a bit but if I want to BF, I'm on my own. And fucking left. I was refused even a glass of water. And they fucked up my pain medication so I was in a HUGE amount of pain for about 12 hours post c section so I couldn't move etc.
  • second night in hospital, I was so incredibly sleep deprived, same message. If you let us give him a bottle, we can help, but if you want to BF here is the baby, and they disappeared.

At home, every single time:

  1. I said baby wasn't sleeping
  2. I can't make it to XYZ event because I can't leave baby for the evening/more than an hour
  3. I said I was tired
  4. I said baby cries a lot and is fussy
  5. Family visited (they wanted to give a bottle)

I was told to just formula feed and it will solve all my problems.

It was constant. Just constant. I had a healthy baby, fed well from the minute he came out, I wasn't even moaning or complaining much. To be told daily to just give a bottle when you're tired and sleep deprived, is awful. This was family, friends, mums at baby groups, and Mumsnet (I posted about sleep deprivation and the whole of Mumsnet replied saying I should give formula to help them sleep better and if I am stubborn and want to continue BF, then it's on me).

And then when baby turned 6 momths, people were disgusted and shocked that I continued. Literally on my baby's 6 month "birthday" a family member said "nice, you can stop BF now".

My baby also had a dairy allergy so switching to formula was actually a very tricky challenge but no one wanted to hear that.

ScaredButUnavoidable · 21/10/2026 10:20

@AutumnHello453324

That all sounds horrific!

It’s like some people genuinely can’t understand why you would choose to breastfeed when the option to bottle feed/formula feed is available.

It was always my intention to breastfeed, which my family knew about, and I remember a few weeks before my due date my grandparents bought me this really fancy “Everything you need to bottle feed your baby” kit. It had lots of different bottles in, various samples of formula, sterilising equipment, sterilising units, bottle warmers etc etc. They told me it was just in case I changed my mind……

It really annoyed me.

If a woman said it was always her intention to formula feed they wouldn’t go out and buy her a nursing pillow, some nipple cream, some breast pads and a nursing bra would they just in case she changed her mind…. 🤣

My family are generally quite anti-breastfeeding and when my mom used to visit she would be so uncomfortable if I was breastfeeding. My sister also breastfed and when my mom used to visit her she would ask my sister to “go and do that in another room” even though it was my sister’s house!

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 10:33

CocoPlum · 21/10/2026 08:51

Lactation consultant here. If a mum described her baby feeding like this round the clock I'd have a lot of questions. That isn't sustainable and it's not normal.

I wouldn’t trust you as a lactation consultant.

It is entirely normal and biologically excepted for babies to feed multiple times in a single hour. This is known as cluster feeding and it aligns perfectly with how a baby’s body is designed to function.

Babies should be feeding on demand. This means feeding the baby whenever they show hunger cues, such as rooting, turning their head, sucking on their hands, or smacking their lips, regardless of how long it has been since their last feed. (World Health Organisation)

CocoPlum · 21/10/2026 10:43

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 10:33

I wouldn’t trust you as a lactation consultant.

It is entirely normal and biologically excepted for babies to feed multiple times in a single hour. This is known as cluster feeding and it aligns perfectly with how a baby’s body is designed to function.

Babies should be feeding on demand. This means feeding the baby whenever they show hunger cues, such as rooting, turning their head, sucking on their hands, or smacking their lips, regardless of how long it has been since their last feed. (World Health Organisation)

Can I ask your qualifications in lactation?

CocoPlum · 21/10/2026 10:44

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 10:33

I wouldn’t trust you as a lactation consultant.

It is entirely normal and biologically excepted for babies to feed multiple times in a single hour. This is known as cluster feeding and it aligns perfectly with how a baby’s body is designed to function.

Babies should be feeding on demand. This means feeding the baby whenever they show hunger cues, such as rooting, turning their head, sucking on their hands, or smacking their lips, regardless of how long it has been since their last feed. (World Health Organisation)

Cluster feeding is one thing. This feeding behaviour 24 hours a day is not. Let's discuss when you've qualified and have over a decade of supporting women.

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 10:49

CocoPlum · 21/10/2026 10:43

Can I ask your qualifications in lactation?

I breastfed my two children for over three years each.

CocoPlum · 21/10/2026 10:54

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 10:49

I breastfed my two children for over three years each.

Ok great.

I did that too.

I've also passed the IBCLC exam (have a look at exactly what it takes just to qualify to apply), have taken multiple CPD courses, and have supported mothers to breastfeed at all stages for over 12 years.

Feeding for 5 mins every half an hour around the clock is NOT normal cluster feeding behaviour.

kalokagathos · 21/10/2026 10:56

I was actively pressured to stop breastfeeding as it was grossing people out 😵‍💫 I always covered myself with a pashmina. I EBF until 6 months and then at night and for comfort until 18. At 18 months many women and aunts in my circle, even my mum, and gynaecologist, were saying to give it up 🫤

Scottishskifun · 21/10/2026 11:07

Yep breastfeeding in the first 6-8 weeks is extremely tough I don't think they are honest about it as it would put women off.

As for NICU they don't allow babies to starve, they monitor everything about them including their salt levels for bf babies. Most mothers are onto the pumps pretty quickly and babies are given syringes/bm and they also have donor milk. It's incredibly important for NICU babies to have bm because it dramatically reduces the risk of a potentially deadly gut issue called NEC.

I struggled to establish bf with DS1 but formula didn't agree with him either so I had zero choice and he was in NICU. My local hospital has amazing infant feeding team and support. It doesn't have to be private.

I'm glad I stuck with bf as around 10 weeks it got a lot easier with DS1 but he did have pumped milk as well as feeding direct. I also became a milk donor for NICU.
I think women should do what works best for them and should be supported regardless. I have a amazing husband who did everything to support me and it did make a big difference.

DS2 was way easier to feed he was plug and go. I was very surprised given how tough it had been with DS1 and was expecting it to be a massive slog.

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 11:07

CocoPlum · 21/10/2026 10:54

Ok great.

I did that too.

I've also passed the IBCLC exam (have a look at exactly what it takes just to qualify to apply), have taken multiple CPD courses, and have supported mothers to breastfeed at all stages for over 12 years.

Feeding for 5 mins every half an hour around the clock is NOT normal cluster feeding behaviour.

Demand-fed and cluster-feeding babies with total access to the breast may nurse
frequently throughout the day, sometimes feeding as often as every 10 to 90 minutes, or having periods where they want to stay at the breast almost continuously for hours. (UNICEF UK)

Skdkhvyvrhej · 21/10/2026 11:08

Every time it’s the bf vs formula I find this whole conversation very weird.

My experience as a breastfeeding mum was everyone telling me to use formula, milk must be low, oh you must be tired blah blah. Our whole nct group started bf and then by 6 weeks that was half, shortly after only two of us.

But what was so strange was those formula mums then spent loads of time complaining about how much pressure there was, the stigma, that it’s wrong formula isn’t promoted and on and on.

It was really bizarre because they were the majority - acting like they were the minority.

Anyway then I had my second. I only exclusively bf to 3-4 months. It just wasn’t convenient to me the second time round due to my life. So I formula fed. It wasn’t a big deal. No one said anything or was judgemental.

So I am not really sure what’s going on. I do think a big part of this is algorithms and then also mums guilt. They feel bad they aren’t bf so try to make a faux thing so everyone can encourage/ console each other and talk about how it’s fine.

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 21/10/2026 11:13

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 11:07

Demand-fed and cluster-feeding babies with total access to the breast may nurse
frequently throughout the day, sometimes feeding as often as every 10 to 90 minutes, or having periods where they want to stay at the breast almost continuously for hours. (UNICEF UK)

But cluster feeding is supposed to be only initially as supply is established and during growth spurts, not as a full time arrangement.

A lack of sleep actually hinders milk production, as does stress. A well rested mother has more milk.

A baby that feeds every hour for months on end is not normal.

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 11:21

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 21/10/2026 11:13

But cluster feeding is supposed to be only initially as supply is established and during growth spurts, not as a full time arrangement.

A lack of sleep actually hinders milk production, as does stress. A well rested mother has more milk.

A baby that feeds every hour for months on end is not normal.

There is no ‘supposed’ about it.

Major health organisations worldwide, including the UNICEF Baby Friendly Initiative and the NHS strongly advise feeding on demand rather than following strict schedules.

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 21/10/2026 11:22

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 11:21

There is no ‘supposed’ about it.

Major health organisations worldwide, including the UNICEF Baby Friendly Initiative and the NHS strongly advise feeding on demand rather than following strict schedules.

Yes but they don’t recommend feeding every half an hour until you crash the car with exhaustion.

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