To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

A continuation of Thread 1.

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. Why? Well many reasons.. Here are just two.

Eg. They won't release sex crime statistics of immigrants / asylum seekers. Why? Other European countries have done, and it is not pretty. Our gvt gives out a leaflet asking them not to rape the locals. Why? Our gvt has said they won't house asylum seekers next to schools and nurseries, why?

Eg. UK now spends more on benefits than it earns in income tax. Labour have increased this - not reduced it. Astonishing. As they say - "Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?" That's Labour's Welfare Secretary. He's describing the priorities of Labour MPs.

In the last financial year, the UK government brought in £331 billion in income tax — and spent even more, £333 billion, on welfare, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal outlook (obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal-outlook-march-2026/#chapter-6).

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We’re a mongrel nation. My great great grandparents were immigrants 180 years ago. They fled famine. It’s really bloody shocking that the Victorians had more compassion than their 21st century descendants.

This x 1000000000000000000

Also, nationalism is EXCLUSIVELY based on emotional arguments.

The Victorians had zero compassion, apart from some charities. Had the Victorians been compulsorily told to put immigrants before natives, I dread to think what would have happened. Those immigrants were a totally different breed too - beyond grateful for the crumbs off the natives' table, obedient, scared to cause a stir and mainly Christian. They knew their place. They felt deep down, that they had to contribute something good to this nation before putting their begging bowls out. Not now - some universities medical and law schools give extra points on applications for either being a migrant or from a migrant background or not speaking English as a native language - so here we have a fast track migrant gravy train - aff the boat and straight into Cambridge, to 'achieve' and patronise the natives about their unearned white privilege.

How would you decide who can be here?

The only good thing about it all is that the mood has totally changed. People are less hesitant to express their opinions, provided they are not breaking the law. Bloggers and youtubers stick their necks out, doing a great job of raising scary issues.

British children singing 'let them drown' alongside British masked men

British man slashing a dinghy with lifeboat personnel still on board

British man and a group of women doxxing a woman worried about racism

That kind of safeguarding?

People are more openly racist, sexist, misogynistic you mean?

Unless they're protesting at the Reform conference of course.

Yes. It's become normalised.

How do you know what they were like? You’ve swallowed Victorian sentimental novelists whole.

I am a woman. I have not noticed any misogyny, but I am not 20 anymore and I have a profession, so maybe I should not comment. Same about sexism. I notice anti-white racism on a daily basis, that is the only thing I notice.

Migration MuseumExploring the migrant history of Victorian East London - Migration Museum

OP, I don't mean to be rude, but are you quite well? This is the third thread now about the same thing? Why are you so beside yourself about your imaginary sexual offences stats related to immigrants? It's verging on deranged now.

Even if men hailing from Afghanistan could be proved to be 2.93% more likely to have rape changes brought against them then men from France, who were 1.54% more likely to have rape charges brought against them than men from Outer Mongolia (but only the ones in the over 30s bracket living in Newcastle since 2009), what are you actually going to do about any of this, in you own life? In practical terms? I would guess, nothing. It's like asking how long is a piece of string.

Stop reading shite media like the Telegraph and dredging up spurious crap from the depths of X or whatever it is you're on. Decide what it is you're even asking because one minute you're talking about illegal immigrants, and the next it sounds as if anyone Muslim or vaguely brown is your target group, even if they're 4th gen British. What are you on about? It's Wednesday tomorrow, take a long walk and switch off. If it's even possible to produce data on this kind of thing against a stable 'control demographic' (whatever that could be) then it will come out if anything is meaningful. They can't release data that they don't have, or is too vague to draw conclusions from. You might as well compare random men from Glasgow, with random men from Brighton. Or men from different age groups, or different socioeconomic backgrounds. Maybe there would be a slight variations between various demographics? Or maybe not? But it's a lot more complicated than race and culture - that much is obvious.

Did they come with the UK gov's permission to work? If they were hungry from the famine did they work to earn their keep and not live off the taxpayer?

Protestors get physically removed. You cause a disruption, you get removed.

The exact data referred to in the post I quoted. The exact data that the government are going to court in order to overrule the ICO and keep hidden.

Clearly it does exist as the government are spending even more of our money to keep it hidden. Only those determined to deny there is a problem can’t imagine why that might be.

Surely they would want to prove that the men in question are no more likely to commit rape or SA than British born and bred men? That would shut down Nigel et al once and for all. It’s just so weird that they don’t….

And thanks for the link but no it doesn’t have the information we are discussing - obviously.

You can expect to be removed by security if you're being a nuisance. You shouldn't expect to to be assaulted by members of the public while the party leader encourages it. Your endorsement of that causes me to think you're very selective in terms of your commitment to the safety of the women.

She certainly got herself noticed, which I suppose was the point.

I don’t know. Strangely I wasn’t there.

To me it seemed like party members were just assisting in the removal. There is the saying if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

Like the same way people who were in JSO or insulate Britain were occasionally physically removed. Or how protestors who glue themselves to stuff and to railings and to roads sometimes got just yanked off instead of carefully de-gluing them. I remember cops taking people off the roads using something "pain compliance".

I agree with this in all fairness. It was wrong and it shouldn't have happened, she should have been removed by security in the proper manner and nobody in the audience should have assaulted her.

Perhaps its time to agree that right wing figures shouldn't have milkshakes thrown in their faces in the street and that the murders of Charlie Kirk and Anne Widdicombe were reprehensible and worthy of total condemnation also. I find myself looking at the reactions to such events from "the left" writ large and thinking "why the fuck should I take a single backwards step about any wrong doing on our side? We don't get that courtesy from you, you celebrate when our people get assaulted and murdered and you tell us that they deserved it with a snarl and bared teeth". I still feel that way actually as I'm typing this and thinking back to the most notable incidents in recent years. Its may be that we're past the point of civility and decency toward one another.

I feel exactly the same. Well said.

Yes the laughing over those things you describe is bad. It is rife.

Perhaps its time to agree that right wing figures shouldn't have milkshakes thrown in their faces in the street and that the murders of Charlie Kirk and Anne Widdicombe were reprehensible and worthy of total condemnation also.

I’ve always agreed with that.