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To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

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CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 11:30

To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. The latest example -

No wonder Labour won't cut benefits. More than half of Burnham's MPs represent seats where claimant count is higher than their Commons majority

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

Half of Labour MPs in seats where PIP claims are higher than majority

Some 212 Labour MPs in England and Wales have more constituents on Personal Independence Payment (PIP) than their winning margin at the 2024 general election .

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

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LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 19:25

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 19:22

We all saw that thread. Most posters abandoned it out of disgust, even though there were attempts to reel people back in.

Eta I might be talking about a different thread, but you were on that one too.

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Oh it's we all is it? Abandoned it out of disgust, like you've done with this one? Crack on amongst yourselves and I will continue reporting personal attacks and the constant troll hunting.

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 19:26

loobylou815 · 21/09/2026 18:07

Sorry, so you’re actually promoting members of the public policing matters and using whatever force they like? It was assault plain and simple and those involved should be charged. She was exercising her legal right to protest and the audience members had no right to take matters into their own hands. Their actions constituted illegal and disproportionate violence!

So in your mind if a bunch of lefties had gone out and started dragging around all the masked ‘patriots’ at Dover by their hair and hitting them with walking sticks, this would have been perfectly fine because they were being disruptive and opted not to simply raise their hand and politely ask questions?? And where do we draw the line with the amount of force that can be used in these situations? Could lefties have pushed them into the sea for being disruptive? Would they have had it coming too? it’s a very slippery slope isn’t it!

Hopefully they get NFA-ed but that's not for me to decide.

And yeah the Dover people were horrible shits and arguably you know what worse. They were intentionally blocking the highways and were so much worse. Had they got a good hiding I would have cheered it on.

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 19:28

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 19:25

Oh it's we all is it? Abandoned it out of disgust, like you've done with this one? Crack on amongst yourselves and I will continue reporting personal attacks and the constant troll hunting.

I haven't troll hunted or made a personal attack. Just stated facts.

This thread is not quite as awful, hence am still here.

Clavinova · 21/09/2026 19:32

shecanbe · 21/09/2026 15:23

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/

It was far from perfect, but better than no agreements at all.

Your link/s tell us that the UK's success rate with Dublin return requests in 2019 was 8%. In addition, we accepted nearly three times as many asylum seekers in return (263 transferred out, 714 transferred to us).

For comparison, Germany's success rate with Dublin returns to other EU states in 2023 was 7%, France 6%. The Republic of Ireland made 592 requests to transfer asylum seekers to other member states in 2023, but was only successful in transferring 3 people (EU stats). In 2024, Ireland made 1,256 requests, resulting in a transfer of just 6 people.

Definitely 'far from perfect'.

countrygirl99 · 21/09/2026 19:33

Smokeywater · 21/09/2026 18:50

It's not racism to say there are too many immigrants - it's just saying there are too many immigrants - in a poor country with inadequate housing and infrastructure for the locals many hundreds of thousands a year for 25 years is a disaster!! It's not racism as the immigrants over that time are all creeds and colours. There's just too many.

And as AB is not doing anything about it like the last 10 PMs or so he will get voted out.

If you think the UK is a poor country the incomes of people in places like Chad or Djibouti are going to come as a horrific shock to you

LakieLady · 21/09/2026 19:33

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 15:24

I don't hate disabled people. I dislike the people who overdo it and just claim and try their hardest not to work. I dislike people who are generally workshy and those who spend their whole lives claiming top ups instead of benefitted.

A lot of people getting "top ups" wouldn't need to if there was more afffordable housing available.

Housing costs have been the biggest element of the vast majority of UC claims I've looked at over the years. In many cases, there would have been no entitlement to UC at all if the claimant had been able to get social housing because their rent would have been much lower that they would have been able to cover it from their wages.

Funny how people who kick off about the amount spent on benefits never moan about how much of that money goes straight into the pockets of private landlords.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 19:38

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 19:28

I haven't troll hunted or made a personal attack. Just stated facts.

This thread is not quite as awful, hence am still here.

Edited

There's nothing awful about threads unless they are breaking talk guidelines. Then they are deleted. So if I'm to believe I'm a massive big fuck off racist, why aren't those threads I'm on deleted and why am I still here? Oh yes, it must be because I'm in with the mods!. The amount of made up shit is unbelievable.

placemats · 21/09/2026 19:40

Clavinova · 21/09/2026 19:32

Your link/s tell us that the UK's success rate with Dublin return requests in 2019 was 8%. In addition, we accepted nearly three times as many asylum seekers in return (263 transferred out, 714 transferred to us).

For comparison, Germany's success rate with Dublin returns to other EU states in 2023 was 7%, France 6%. The Republic of Ireland made 592 requests to transfer asylum seekers to other member states in 2023, but was only successful in transferring 3 people (EU stats). In 2024, Ireland made 1,256 requests, resulting in a transfer of just 6 people.

Definitely 'far from perfect'.

Have you not heard of the common travel area? It means Ireland isn't in Schengen and has been in place for a century.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance/common-travel-area-guidance

Clavinova · 21/09/2026 19:49

DontSayItsOver · 21/09/2026 14:20

That’s…not what gerrymandering is.

Anyways as for your post, I don’t think the two are necessarily directly related. Clacton-on-Sea is the constituency with the highest number of PIP claimants and it’s a Reform stronghold.

It’s a moot point anyway. PIP will double by 2030, the same year the last of the Boriswave will receive ILR, and 4 years on from the current wave of layoffs, redundancies, AI steers, population increase, small business closures and offshoring that is currently taking jobs away.

Whoever is in government then will be forced to make a structural change to the welfare system whether they like it or no.

I suspect something along the lines of UBI, and another immigration wave with restrictions on workers having to stay in social care roles for the duration of their visas.

Clacton-on-Sea is the constituency with the highest number of PIP claimants

No, it isn't.

Clavinova · 21/09/2026 19:51

placemats · 21/09/2026 19:40

Have you not heard of the common travel area? It means Ireland isn't in Schengen and has been in place for a century.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance/common-travel-area-guidance

How did that stop Ireland returning asylum seekers to other EU states?

BIossomtoes · 21/09/2026 19:51

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 19:10

The attendees just helped out a bit. Just gave the security a helping hand by removing the protestor. The attendees wanted to hear Nigel speak and not her so arguably from a utilitarian perspective there was a net benefit.

They attacked her.

cityliving99 · 21/09/2026 19:54

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 19:00

How is Burnham not doing anything about it?

Have a look at the net migration numbers.

That’s because many high flying Brits are leaving…lots of wonderful youngsters who feel let down by our country. Lots of wealthy tax payers.
Not many lazy Brits get to leave do they? Because other countries won’t take them.

placemats · 21/09/2026 20:02

Clavinova · 21/09/2026 19:51

How did that stop Ireland returning asylum seekers to other EU states?

Do you really want a handhold from me?

ThreadGuardDog · 21/09/2026 20:04

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 18:09

Which is?

Netanyahu ?

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 20:05

Clavinova · 21/09/2026 19:49

Clacton-on-Sea is the constituency with the highest number of PIP claimants

No, it isn't.

It is the constituency with the highest percentage of people on at least one benefit. 60%.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 20:06

ThreadGuardDog · 21/09/2026 20:04

Netanyahu ?

He's killing Jews? News to me.

ThreadGuardDog · 21/09/2026 20:07

thepariscrimefiles · 21/09/2026 18:03

It's like the outcry about immigrants coming over here for a luxurious life on benefits when we should be 'looking after our own', then when 'our own' need to apply for disability benefits, they are then labelled 'workshy scroungers' who are bankrupting the country.

Spot on.

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 20:07

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 19:06

So you want them to be able to claim contributory benefits if they have paid into these, but not the benefits that they have paid into via general taxation?

So, let's take the example of an Indian doctor who has been working for the NHS for, say, 30 years, paying higher rate taxes and contributing to our society. They have chosen not to take British citizenship because they have reasons for not wanting to lose their Indian passport. And then they suddenly get cancer. You're ok with them not being entitled to taxpayer support despite their contributions over 3 decades? Because they have the wrong kind of passport?

Because they aren't a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely a countries welfare state is for those who are citizens of the nation? It's not just a

Indians can become British citizens and keep lifelong visa free ties to move and work in India via an OCI.

At some point you need to be strict and firm don't you? You can always make up hypotheticals.

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 20:08

ThreadGuardDog · 21/09/2026 20:04

Netanyahu ?

There is an interview on YouTube with the actor Mandy Patinkin. He makes the same argument extremely well and passionately. Worth watching if you can find it.

Clavinova · 21/09/2026 20:11

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 20:05

It is the constituency with the highest percentage of people on at least one benefit. 60%.

Do you have a link?

AI is telling me;

the 60% figure likely stems from a misinterpretation of local data

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 20:12

cityliving99 · 21/09/2026 19:54

That’s because many high flying Brits are leaving…lots of wonderful youngsters who feel let down by our country. Lots of wealthy tax payers.
Not many lazy Brits get to leave do they? Because other countries won’t take them.

Real patriots aren't they?

Tax exiles and commenting how terrible the UK is from aboad.

Some even live in those countries that treat women terrible.

Clavinova · 21/09/2026 20:12

placemats · 21/09/2026 20:02

Do you really want a handhold from me?

Yes, go on.

HandPulledNoodles · 21/09/2026 20:14

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 20:12

Real patriots aren't they?

Tax exiles and commenting how terrible the UK is from aboad.

Some even live in those countries that treat women terrible.

But will likely come back if Daddy Nigel relaxes regulations and lets them run rough shod over everything. I have no time for that lot.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 20:14

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 20:07

Because they aren't a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely a countries welfare state is for those who are citizens of the nation? It's not just a

Indians can become British citizens and keep lifelong visa free ties to move and work in India via an OCI.

At some point you need to be strict and firm don't you? You can always make up hypotheticals.

Yes, I'm aware of OCI etc, but India was just an example, and even if people can travel visa-free to their countries of origin, there may still be reasons for them wanting to retain their own citizenship.

As to whether the welfare state should be available to citizens only, I don't agree. I think it should be open to all who have earned the right to stay in the country permanently. I don't really understand why someone who has made their home here and paid into the system for many years is somehow less entitled to help when crisis hits than someone who may have contributed much less but happens to have been born here.

We can agree to differ on this point.

AtHomeWithThe · 21/09/2026 20:18

Or is it bedtime where you live? 🤔

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