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To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

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CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 11:30

To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. The latest example -

No wonder Labour won't cut benefits. More than half of Burnham's MPs represent seats where claimant count is higher than their Commons majority

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

Half of Labour MPs in seats where PIP claims are higher than majority

Some 212 Labour MPs in England and Wales have more constituents on Personal Independence Payment (PIP) than their winning margin at the 2024 general election .

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

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2dogsandabudgie · 21/09/2026 18:54

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 18:49

Sometimes. A lot of blatantly racist content is left to stand.

And sometimes it is deleted but it takes an age for MN to get there.

And yes, we know the meaning of racism. We also know the tricks that racist posters use in order to just stay on the right side of the moderators.

Perhaps you need to take that up with MNHQ then.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 18:54

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 18:53

Observation.

We all make observations.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 18:55

2dogsandabudgie · 21/09/2026 18:54

Perhaps you need to take that up with MNHQ then.

I agree.

2dogsandabudgie · 21/09/2026 18:57

placemats · 21/09/2026 18:47

It's good to know that you have found a friend.

What's up with you today, this isn't your normal posting style.

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 18:58

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 18:48

Best get reporting to the mods then. Has anybody reported the thread for racism?

I reported the racist conspiracy theory posted earlier in the thread.

TeenLifeMum · 21/09/2026 18:59

Smokeywater · 21/09/2026 18:50

It's not racism to say there are too many immigrants - it's just saying there are too many immigrants - in a poor country with inadequate housing and infrastructure for the locals many hundreds of thousands a year for 25 years is a disaster!! It's not racism as the immigrants over that time are all creeds and colours. There's just too many.

And as AB is not doing anything about it like the last 10 PMs or so he will get voted out.

But the levels of immigration have dropped under Labour - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp1ekd584o?app-referrer=deep-link

not that you’d know that from reading the daily mail that spouts the same lines so we all learn to blame immigration for all that is wrong. The immigrants I know are exceptionally hard working but in very low paid jobs do get benefits to top them up. Maybe employers could be forced to pay an actual living wage?

An airport corridor with the words 'International Arrivals' printed in large black letters onto a white wall. A man can be seen walking in front of the sign with a wheeled suitcase, beige trousers and a dark jacket, but he is slightly blurred to indica...

UK net migration drops to 171,000 - lowest since Covid pandemic

The prime minister says his government is delivering on its promise to restore control to the borders.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp1ekd584o?app-referrer=deep-link

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 19:00

Smokeywater · 21/09/2026 18:50

It's not racism to say there are too many immigrants - it's just saying there are too many immigrants - in a poor country with inadequate housing and infrastructure for the locals many hundreds of thousands a year for 25 years is a disaster!! It's not racism as the immigrants over that time are all creeds and colours. There's just too many.

And as AB is not doing anything about it like the last 10 PMs or so he will get voted out.

How is Burnham not doing anything about it?

Have a look at the net migration numbers.

shecanbe · 21/09/2026 19:01

I'm not going to repeat your not very subtle agenda on the last thread @LuckyHazelFox because it was depressing and offensive enough over the weekend. And I don't have time to re-read 1000 posts and copy-paste. But you know exactly what I think - obviously - because you were back and forth with me (and others on here) on and off for the best part of two days!

I shouldn't have given it bandwidth then and I don't know why I'm engaging again. You know exactly what you're trying to do. anyway, I look forward to your new resolution to challenge racism in all its forms.

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 19:03

shecanbe · 21/09/2026 19:01

I'm not going to repeat your not very subtle agenda on the last thread @LuckyHazelFox because it was depressing and offensive enough over the weekend. And I don't have time to re-read 1000 posts and copy-paste. But you know exactly what I think - obviously - because you were back and forth with me (and others on here) on and off for the best part of two days!

I shouldn't have given it bandwidth then and I don't know why I'm engaging again. You know exactly what you're trying to do. anyway, I look forward to your new resolution to challenge racism in all its forms.

Probably best to avoid TAAT anyway.

placemats · 21/09/2026 19:05

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 18:52

You tell me where I have been racist on past threads. Not what you think is racist, but where I have actually been racist. Throwing out generalisations isn't going to cut it.

They've been deleted.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 19:06

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 18:46

They can pay taxes (as all immigrants do) but they can't take from it until naturalise. Like they can only get the contributory stuffs things you need and everyone pays into

So you want them to be able to claim contributory benefits if they have paid into these, but not the benefits that they have paid into via general taxation?

So, let's take the example of an Indian doctor who has been working for the NHS for, say, 30 years, paying higher rate taxes and contributing to our society. They have chosen not to take British citizenship because they have reasons for not wanting to lose their Indian passport. And then they suddenly get cancer. You're ok with them not being entitled to taxpayer support despite their contributions over 3 decades? Because they have the wrong kind of passport?

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 19:08

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 18:50

Are you ok? You sound anxious about something Labour might introduce and taking it out on posters. It’s a tough time, but this stuff is a bit silly.

What a very strange take. @placemats is not one of the posters who bangs on everyday about how evil the government is and how every policy is going to sink the UK.

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 19:10

pointythings · 21/09/2026 17:40

And the force should be applied by professional security, as it is at other conferences. They know how to do it safely.

So you're still an apologist for assault.

The attendees just helped out a bit. Just gave the security a helping hand by removing the protestor. The attendees wanted to hear Nigel speak and not her so arguably from a utilitarian perspective there was a net benefit.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 19:11

placemats · 21/09/2026 19:05

They've been deleted.

Oh that's convenient isn't it?

placemats · 21/09/2026 19:11

2dogsandabudgie · 21/09/2026 18:57

What's up with you today, this isn't your normal posting style.

How do you know what my style is? And who are you?

Are you stalking me?

countrygirl99 · 21/09/2026 19:12

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 17:09

Yes, you are fond of telling everyone that.

Mine hasn't either.

placemats · 21/09/2026 19:13

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 19:11

Oh that's convenient isn't it?

Yes, deleted because of racist content.

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 19:14

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 19:10

The attendees just helped out a bit. Just gave the security a helping hand by removing the protestor. The attendees wanted to hear Nigel speak and not her so arguably from a utilitarian perspective there was a net benefit.

Helped out a bit?

To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?
To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?
To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?
To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?
LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 19:15

shecanbe · 21/09/2026 19:01

I'm not going to repeat your not very subtle agenda on the last thread @LuckyHazelFox because it was depressing and offensive enough over the weekend. And I don't have time to re-read 1000 posts and copy-paste. But you know exactly what I think - obviously - because you were back and forth with me (and others on here) on and off for the best part of two days!

I shouldn't have given it bandwidth then and I don't know why I'm engaging again. You know exactly what you're trying to do. anyway, I look forward to your new resolution to challenge racism in all its forms.

Sorry that's not working for me. You don't just throw out a generalisation and then expect me to accept it.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 19:17

placemats · 21/09/2026 19:13

Yes, deleted because of racist content.

As I said, very convenient.

Badbadbunny · 21/09/2026 19:18

Coffeeandallthebooks · 21/09/2026 11:42

The economist Richard J Murphy has estimated there is a tax gap.

Companies which shut down in the first year of trading have their tax liabilities end with them. They don't pay VAT, corporation tax, or anything else, and often the sole trader who wound them up starts a new company totally free of any tax liability.

We need to get the money we are due much more than we need to curb spending. Changing the law to make tax a personal and not company liability should be a priority.

The sum the government is missing out on is in the region of 17 billion pounds a year.

HMRC just need to get their act together. When we had local tax officers and tax inspectors who lived in their area, knew when new businesses started up, they were pro active to check they registered and paid their taxes. Nowadays, all the inspectors are in huge office blocks hundreds of miles from where businesses are located and that local knowledge has been lost. Fraudsters know it and that's why they set up multiple companies so that they can trade, close down and strike off before HMRC even notice their existence.

I've had letters from tax inspectors asking stupid questions they wouldn't need to ask if they were local. Such as why a hotel in a seaside resort had very low takings in Winter! Duh! Obviously didn't realise the town (which was a couple of hundred miles from their office block) was a seaside resort.

Back in the 80s when I started, if, say, a new shop opened up, they'd be getting a "new business questionnaire" from the local tax inspector within a couple of weeks!

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 19:22

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 19:15

Sorry that's not working for me. You don't just throw out a generalisation and then expect me to accept it.

We all saw that thread. Most posters abandoned it out of disgust, even though there were attempts to reel people back in.

Eta I might be talking about a different thread, but you were on that one too.

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 19:22

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 19:10

The attendees just helped out a bit. Just gave the security a helping hand by removing the protestor. The attendees wanted to hear Nigel speak and not her so arguably from a utilitarian perspective there was a net benefit.

Is that why there is a police investigation?

Atendees helped out by grabbing hair and hitting with sticks?

SkimResource · 21/09/2026 19:25

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 17:55

You know very well that singling out posters will result in deletions for personal attacks.

Quite. I have formed my own private judgement on some posters who I am pretty sure are racists. Their language, the threads they choose to post on, it’s pretty damn obvious. But I wouldn’t be so foolish as to name them, as they would report it so fast! I will thus keep my thoughts to myself. And when has a racist ever admitted they are a racist?! Disclaimer: you can have concerns about immigration without being racist, but it’s all in the language and tone.

Papyrophile · 21/09/2026 19:25

HMRC definitely could do better! But as @Badbadbunny says, most of the local offices have been closed. It used to be rare not to have an inspection for tax or VAT within two or three years of starting up. And you could phone them up for answers or advice, without holding on for 35 minutes, too.

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