To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

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To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. The latest example -

No wonder Labour won't cut benefits. More than half of Burnham's MPs represent seats where claimant count is higher than their Commons majority

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

Shadow Chancellor Mel Stride explicitly confirmed that under their plan, any overseas nationals who find themselves unable to work due to health issues and are denied benefits
"would have the option to return to their own countries".

Or Germany.

You are relying on AI to disprove something?

It was some data published in The Times a while back. It has been posted on MN a fair bit.

You are good at finding links so am sure you can track it down!

He’s been sacked. And replaced by a Truss Treasury bloke.

That’s nice. And you do this each time.

Oh yes, it must be because I'm in with the mods!

Who has said that?

The amount of made up shit is unbelievable

Yes there is a lot of made up shit on MN and SM generally.

Fair enough but it's what the party have now said. And I don't think kemi will walk back on this, she wanted a shadow chancellor who aligned to her vision.

Sorry, I thought you were posting on behalf of a consortium of MNers , when you referred to "we all" in a previous post to me.

OK.

Yeah a 12 and a half K annual pension for those that have paid NI throughout their working lives is shockingly generous. Pensioners should starve or freeze to pay for snowflake youngsters who wont work due to the 'anxiety'.

See how stupid it is to generalise? Its a ridiculous idea that all pensioners are wealthy and coddled. The culture wars we are experiencing are bought about by these kind of asinine generalisations.

If he’s aligned to her vision it bodes badly given that he apparently thought Truss was on the right path.

Can say/promise anything when you are in opposition

As Labour are finding out with fully funded fully costed.

They say that they should have made sure to cut spending first

Can't believe what I just read there!

As an aside, the 'UK's biggest-ever benefit fraud' was carried out by a Bulgarian gang, with possibly several thousand Bulgarian 'customers'. The fraud (2016 - 2021) was eventually spotted by a Bulgarian detective, after noticing his city was 'awash with cash'. He alerted the UK authorities via the British embassy in Sophia;

May 2024
Tom Little KC, prosecuting...
told the court false claims were made for UC using real people who were “nearly always Bulgarian” and who “were complicit and also gained financially”.

The claims were supported by an array of forged documents and lies, including "fictitious tenancy agreements, counterfeit payslips and forged letters from landlords, employers, schools and GPs."^

most of the claimants “lived in Bulgaria and made claims in which they falsely claimed that they lived and worked here when they did not”.

“Many travelled here for a short period of time to support the claim before returning to Bulgaria with the claim remaining ongoing. Some never even travelled here.”

Mr Little said that the gang also arranged “hundreds of cheap flights” for the fraudulent claimants so they could travel to the UK and attend interviews, or take pictures “proving” they were in the country and entitled to benefits if required.

Once the benefits were approved, [the Bulgarian detective] claimed the “customers” had to pay a one-off commission of between £500 and £800, after which they would receive on average between £2,000 and £2,500 a month.

He said: “Our investigation found that a few thousand people were customers of this scheme and it is likely that many are still receiving money through similar schemes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/28/bulgarian-town-boomed-from-uks-biggest-benefits-fraud/
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/britain-benefit-fraud-gang-cash-video-b2526210.html

Good point!

2016-2021, under the Tories then.

Are you laughing because they aren’t entitled to any benefits?
Because if they have 4 children they probably are!

The Dublin agreement was more than the agreements on asylum seekers that the UK left the EU with

Which were zero. No return agreements in place at all.

It was Jaywick you were thinking of - which represents around 5.5% of the total parliamentary constituency.

The UK was a net recipient of asylum seekers under the agreement in any case.

Indeed. And personally, I think it's utterly inhumane that anyone would think it's ok to uproot someone who is experiencing a lifechanging illness or disability from their home of many years, potentially separating them from their loved ones, after they have paid into our welfare state for decades. Simply because they have the passport. That is not the kind of society that I want to live in.

What's the Dublin agreement?

That doesnt negate the fact that the UK didn't draw up any agreements and lost access to all security databases.