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To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

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CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 11:30

To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. The latest example -

No wonder Labour won't cut benefits. More than half of Burnham's MPs represent seats where claimant count is higher than their Commons majority

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

Half of Labour MPs in seats where PIP claims are higher than majority

Some 212 Labour MPs in England and Wales have more constituents on Personal Independence Payment (PIP) than their winning margin at the 2024 general election .

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

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Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:56

BIossomtoes · 21/09/2026 16:39

And let you all keep on posting your misinformation unchallenged? I don’t think so.

You will not mind if you are called out the next time you post misinformation, then. On whichever thread that may be.

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 16:56

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:54

@placematshere you go.

So it isn't set to double in three years?

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:58

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 16:51

Or?

Are you using threats? Trying to silence posters?

The PP made a very bold assertion.

I am calling them out on it.

If you feel threatened, that’s on you.

Auspiciousminds · 21/09/2026 16:58

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:06

It’s from the Times initially. Not everyone has access.

And how does that make it any better?

BensonAndStabler · 21/09/2026 16:58

SkimResource · 21/09/2026 16:53

I’m giving myself a bit of a break at work and I was curious to see if she/he really was starting another hate and anger-filled thread on the same topic! Don’t worry, I usually avoid these kind of threads as ultimately they aren’t that interesting. I was bored 🤷🏼‍♀️

I didn't realise this was a frequent tactic of the OP. I joined thinking we might actually get a decent debate going.....how wrong could I be. I know now to avoid in future.

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 16:58

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:58

The PP made a very bold assertion.

I am calling them out on it.

If you feel threatened, that’s on you.

Just mansplainng then

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:59

nomas · 21/09/2026 16:55

So it's grown by billions under Tory rule.

To 2030 / 2031 is with Labour in power. Regardless it wasn’t misinformation as some claimed.

Doubling over those periods is going to be problematic.

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:59

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 16:58

Just mansplainng then

Do you have an issue with men?

BIossomtoes · 21/09/2026 16:59

nomas · 21/09/2026 16:55

So it's grown by billions under Tory rule.

Eleven of them in fact.

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 17:01

.

placemats · 21/09/2026 17:02

nearlylovemyusername · 21/09/2026 16:51

Will this do?

Number of people claiming key disability benefit hits record high - BBC News

"Spending on Pip stood at £16.3bn in 2019-20, when adjusted for inflation to today's prices, and had increased to £27.3bn by 2024-25, government figures showed.
It is currently forecast to rise to £41.5bn by 2030-31."

The imperative message in the link you supply is this:

Of the 4.1 million claimants, those aged 50 and above accounted for more than half.

Just under three in ten were aged 30 to 49, while 17% of claimants were aged 16 to 29.

Which would suggest that those over 50 claiming the benefit and a few below that age, have been moved from the old system, DLA, to the new system, which is PIP.

And don't get me started on the old 'adjusting for today's inflation rates' nonsense.

researchers3 · 21/09/2026 17:02

CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 11:32

More than half of Labour MPs represent seats where there is a greater number of disability benefit claimants than the size of their majority, an analysis has revealed.

Some 212 Labour MPs in England and Wales have more constituents on Personal Independence Payment (PIP) than their winning margin at the 2024 general election.

This is 58 per cent of the party's total 366 seats across the two countries, the analysis by The Times found.

The Times is a right wing paper, they're not going to publish anything positive about Labour.

The uk is fucked, I agree but it was fucked under the tories first.

I've no idea who or what coukd make it better at this point.

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 17:03

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:54

@placematshere you go.

nice one

and the picture of the Times headline you were happily sharing earlier on was claiming PIP to double by 2030...

27.3 x 2 does not equal 41.5, not even close

do you not check things for factual accuracy before posting?

or is it a fundamental problem with basic maths? 😂

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 17:03

researchers3 · 21/09/2026 17:02

The Times is a right wing paper, they're not going to publish anything positive about Labour.

The uk is fucked, I agree but it was fucked under the tories first.

I've no idea who or what coukd make it better at this point.

Stopping endless rounds of tax rises would be a start.

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 17:05

BIossomtoes · 21/09/2026 16:43

Nobody kinda has assault coming. I suppose women ask to be raped too?

Women don't ask to be raped. Disruptive protestors are kinda asking to be removed. If they continue their disruption (which they love to do) force needs to be used to remove them.

The same way I remember the road blockers I didn't feel sad when people physically grabbed them and moved on..or sprayed ink on them.

loobylou815 · 21/09/2026 17:05

CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 16:32

Oh dear. You're embarrassing yourself. It is a well known fact that Labour Are stopping release of that data. There is even a link to it on this thread. I suggest you don't show yourself up any more.

And why are you talking about 'brown people'? You sound racist, when you do that.

Again, you’re the one embarrassing yourself? You clearly have access to a phone but refuse to fact check anything. The Labour government commissioned the Casey audit to examine perpetrator ethnicity and have now mandated improved data collection around ethnicity. I’m not a Labour voter, but would point out, like many others have, that they have only been in power for 2 years. I think maybe you need to question why the Tories didn’t do more to publish the data you’re so interested in.

I’d also love to know what right wing thinkers will do if data is published and it shows that when ethnicity was recorded the statistics are comparable with population distribution, or even that ethnic minorities were over represented. Will they dismiss the findings or be big enough to agree that perhaps their views were based in ingrained prejudice and racism.

BIossomtoes · 21/09/2026 17:05

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 17:03

Stopping endless rounds of tax rises would be a start.

What endless rounds of tax rises? Mine hasn’t gone up once.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 17:07

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 17:05

Women don't ask to be raped. Disruptive protestors are kinda asking to be removed. If they continue their disruption (which they love to do) force needs to be used to remove them.

The same way I remember the road blockers I didn't feel sad when people physically grabbed them and moved on..or sprayed ink on them.

Not a fan of free speech, then? If annoying protesters deserve to be assaulted by random members of the public? Good to know.

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 17:08

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 17:03

nice one

and the picture of the Times headline you were happily sharing earlier on was claiming PIP to double by 2030...

27.3 x 2 does not equal 41.5, not even close

do you not check things for factual accuracy before posting?

or is it a fundamental problem with basic maths? 😂

Let’s see. The OBR is assessing now for the budget. They’ll be assessing future figures. The story is more up to date.

Ik if you only stick to BlueSky / Guardian you’ll dismiss the Times but generally they will act on what sources give them.

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 17:08

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:58

The PP made a very bold assertion.

I am calling them out on it.

If you feel threatened, that’s on you.

And I gave you clear proof of that assertion which you seem to be ignoring.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 17:08

loobylou815 · 21/09/2026 17:05

Again, you’re the one embarrassing yourself? You clearly have access to a phone but refuse to fact check anything. The Labour government commissioned the Casey audit to examine perpetrator ethnicity and have now mandated improved data collection around ethnicity. I’m not a Labour voter, but would point out, like many others have, that they have only been in power for 2 years. I think maybe you need to question why the Tories didn’t do more to publish the data you’re so interested in.

I’d also love to know what right wing thinkers will do if data is published and it shows that when ethnicity was recorded the statistics are comparable with population distribution, or even that ethnic minorities were over represented. Will they dismiss the findings or be big enough to agree that perhaps their views were based in ingrained prejudice and racism.

They aren't interested in facts.

loobylou815 · 21/09/2026 17:08

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 16:42

I'm saying she kinda had it coming. She wasn't just at the conference and asking people about their views was she. She was disrupting the event (breaking the terms of conditions) and thus was susceptible to be physically removed.

If you use that argument I think it’s safe to say that reform and restore politicians also ‘have it coming’ for promoting such inflammatory views and constantly attacking the most vulnerable in society. She wasn’t physically removed by security, she was attacked by audience members who were then cheered on by the reform politicians.

Pedallleur · 21/09/2026 17:09

Aydel · 21/09/2026 11:47

Because the Tories did such a good job, changing Prime Minister every five minutes, fucking up Brexit, the pandemic, and tanking the economy under Liz Truss…

Don't forget Rwanda, taking back control and holding all the cards/sunlit uplands.

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 17:09

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 17:08

Let’s see. The OBR is assessing now for the budget. They’ll be assessing future figures. The story is more up to date.

Ik if you only stick to BlueSky / Guardian you’ll dismiss the Times but generally they will act on what sources give them.

Evading the facts there ES?

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 17:09

BIossomtoes · 21/09/2026 17:05

What endless rounds of tax rises? Mine hasn’t gone up once.

Yes, you are fond of telling everyone that.

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