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To not let my younger daughter lend her sister the money for school trip?

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OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:32

My 14 year old is going on a three day school trip to London next week. I have been paying for it in instalments since the beginning of the year and have finally managed to get the main cost paid. She is really looking forward to it and has been talking about it for months. But the school has now sent a message saying they need to bring money for food, drinks and an evening activity which isn’t included. Apparently most of the children are taking at least £50. My daughter says she will be the only one without it and is getting very upset about the whole thing.

I work part time in a supermarket and get Universal Credit. Money is tight at the moment and I honestly haven’t got £50 spare. I have told her I can give her £15 and pack some food for her, but she says her friends will all be buying things throughout the day and she will be embarrassed taking a packed lunch. She also says the evening activity is something they are all doing and she doesn’t want to sit in the hotel while everyone else goes. I do understand that she wants to fit in, but I have already paid for the trip itself and can’t just magic up another £50. I have said she needs to be grateful she is going at all, which probably wasn’t the most helpful thing to say.

My younger daughter is 10 and has been saving for a new phone. She has a little tin in her bedroom and has about £80 in it from birthdays, Christmas and money relatives have given her. She has been saving for ages and keeps looking at phones online. Anyway she overheard me and her sister talking about the trip and offered to lend her £30. She said she doesn’t mind and can save it up again, and that she wants her sister to have a nice time. She wasn’t being forced or anything, she came out with it herself. But I said no straight away and told her that her money was hers and she didn’t need to pay for her sister’s school trip.

This is where it has all kicked off really. My older daughter said that her sister had offered and I was being unfair by stopping her. She said she would pay her back when she gets her birthday money, although that isn’t until next year. I said that isn’t really the point and that a 10 year old shouldn’t be lending her savings to make up for what I can’t afford. She called me mean and said I was making her feel guilty for wanting to go on the trip. I know she is disappointed but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say no. I don’t want her thinking that because her sister has some savings, she can just use them whenever she wants something.

My younger daughter is now upset with me too. She keeps saying she offered because she wanted to and that I have made it into a big thing. She has even asked if she can give her sister the money without telling me, which obviously isn’t happening. The girls were getting on quite well before this but now they are arguing about it. My older one says her sister doesn’t mind and my younger one says I am stopping her doing something kind. I don’t want either of them feeling responsible for the other’s money problems, if that makes sense. But I also don’t want to make my eldest feel like she can’t have the same experiences as her friends.

The school has said they can bring packed lunches, and the evening activity is an extra thing they have arranged while they are in London. I don’t think the school has offered any financial help, although I haven’t actually asked them directly yet. I could email and explain the situation, but I feel embarrassed doing that after managing to pay the main trip cost. My daughter says everyone has been told to bring spending money and that the teachers won’t want to hear about it. I don’t know how much of that is actually true. She has also said she will just go without food rather than take what I pack, which is worrying me.

AIBU to refuse to let my younger daughter lend her sister the money? Should my older daughter just accept that she can’t have the extras and go with the £15 I can afford, or should I be asking the school about help? I don’t want to take the trip away from her because she has been looking forward to it, but I can’t afford to keep adding money to it. And I don’t think it is right for a 10 year old to feel she needs to help pay for her sister’s school trip, even if she has offered. What would you do?

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Wadsworthy · Yesterday 17:09

YABU. Totally.

I suppose you’re ashamed that you can’t provide what your DD needs. 3 days in London on just £15 spending money? Your DD really can’t be sent with just that.

it would be better she doesn’t go at all.

Mischance · Yesterday 17:11

The PSA at our local school has funds for just this situation. I was on the governors there till recently and there is absolutely no way we would have let a child be treated differently because of being on benefits. I think you should talk to the school. Tell them it has been very difficult to save up the basic cost of the trip and that this extra request is beyond your means.

Jellybunny98 · Yesterday 17:12

Wadsworthy · Yesterday 17:09

YABU. Totally.

I suppose you’re ashamed that you can’t provide what your DD needs. 3 days in London on just £15 spending money? Your DD really can’t be sent with just that.

it would be better she doesn’t go at all.

This.

Especially with the cost of things, and especially in London, we visited over the summer and even if all she wanted to get was a snack & a drink she wouldn’t be left with much change from £15.

Bagpuss2022 · Yesterday 17:12

I don’t have much money Myleslf but I was both of your children at points and you sound a locket lady can I help towards it?

PinkyFlamingo · Yesterday 17:12

accept that I should have budgeted for spending money. I knew about the trip cost but I didn’t realise the extra activity and food would come to so much

I'm really puzzled why you didn't think of spending money for the trip....children always need some spending money on trips! Forget the extra activity, I can see your point about that.
£50 for 3 days is cheap! I can guarantee noone will be bringing food along either

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 17:12

It is such a shame children have zero compassion for their struggling parents. You spoilt that girl even on your modest income. It reminds me of White Oleander by Janet Fitch, where for the first time they depicted a child with a conscience:

“If it weren't for me, she wouldn't have to take jobs like this. She would be half a planet away, floating in a turquoise sea, dancing by moonlight to flamenco guitar. I felt my guilt like a brand.... I had seen girls clamor for new clothes and complain about what their mothers made for dinner. I was always mortified. Didn't they know they were tying their mothers to the ground? Weren't chains ashamed of their prisoners?”

CreativeGreen · Yesterday 17:13

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Totally uncalled for. I think OP has made the wrong call here, but there is absolutely no reason to think she is 'a horrible mum'.

WillieBanjo · Yesterday 17:13

@OneSunnyGreenTurtle

I have a few friends who have very little money. They have no one to help them if they are in the shit apart from debt or me.

I only discovered this when my friend had no bed and was sleeping on the couch. I bought a bed and he paid me back over 3yrs. Few people on this thread are unaware of what skint is .

One thing I’ve found useful over the years is what I call squirrel accounts. Just a savings account that takes a small amount 50p or a £1 a week or as much as can be afforded via a standing order. It is surprising how thy build up for a day that you need them. We have used them for years.

Monty36 · Yesterday 17:14

Merrybandofpirates · Yesterday 17:00

As we should be. Parents should be paying for the cost of the teachers’ trips. They’re taking our bloody kids and looking after them, with all the stress that comes with that. And taking that time away from their own families. It is part of the expense of school trips and parents cover those expenses.

I thought that would be what the state pays them to do.
They decide on the trips.

hourglass2 · Yesterday 17:14

I do blame the school for suddenly adding trips and activities last minute, it should have been clear from the start that extra money might be needed, some schools are terrible at relaying information to parents,,,

Annoyedbyhusband · Yesterday 17:14

I actually think it’s lovely that the younger sister wants to help out, what a lovely child you have raised. This will also be a big bonding experience for them, if big sister does pay her back, and make sure she does, for the future as adults that they can rely on and trust each other. I would let little sister help out, it’s her money and she wants to.

Merrybandofpirates · Yesterday 17:14

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 17:12

It is such a shame children have zero compassion for their struggling parents. You spoilt that girl even on your modest income. It reminds me of White Oleander by Janet Fitch, where for the first time they depicted a child with a conscience:

“If it weren't for me, she wouldn't have to take jobs like this. She would be half a planet away, floating in a turquoise sea, dancing by moonlight to flamenco guitar. I felt my guilt like a brand.... I had seen girls clamor for new clothes and complain about what their mothers made for dinner. I was always mortified. Didn't they know they were tying their mothers to the ground? Weren't chains ashamed of their prisoners?”

Spoilt her? A child who gets nothing outside of their birthday or Christmas is not spoilt. You think this child should be grateful for simply being fed and clothes? She sounds like she doesn’t get much at all.

I’m not knocking the OP. I also get UC. It is really really tough. But her child is not spoilt.

Merrybandofpirates · Yesterday 17:16

Monty36 · Yesterday 17:14

I thought that would be what the state pays them to do.
They decide on the trips.

No, they offer these trips as as enrichment opportunity for our kids and it is our choice to take them up on it or not, and with that we choose to pay the costs involved. Those costs included the cost of supervision.

You are completely wrong on this and not one person has agreed with you.

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 17:18

Merrybandofpirates · Yesterday 17:14

Spoilt her? A child who gets nothing outside of their birthday or Christmas is not spoilt. You think this child should be grateful for simply being fed and clothes? She sounds like she doesn’t get much at all.

I’m not knocking the OP. I also get UC. It is really really tough. But her child is not spoilt.

Spoilt is not about the amount, it is about giving in, about entitlement.

saraclara · Yesterday 17:18

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:31

What is wrong with wanting to know how the school pays for the trip for the teachers ? Nothing. They are a public body if a state school. Open and transparency especially to do with finances should not even have to be asked for. It should be upfront.

A three day school trip is a 72 hour shift for the teachers, with no break. It's unusual even to be able to sleep through the night without being interrupted. OP doesn't say if this trip is in school time or over a weekend.

So yes, on top of being responsible for the children for 72 hours with no extra pay, teachers do NOT have to pay for their transport or accommodation. Would you work 72 hours for no extra pay and then pay for your own accommodation and transport?

In general teachers do have to pay for their own food and drink though

Totaldramallama · Yesterday 17:18

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 17:12

It is such a shame children have zero compassion for their struggling parents. You spoilt that girl even on your modest income. It reminds me of White Oleander by Janet Fitch, where for the first time they depicted a child with a conscience:

“If it weren't for me, she wouldn't have to take jobs like this. She would be half a planet away, floating in a turquoise sea, dancing by moonlight to flamenco guitar. I felt my guilt like a brand.... I had seen girls clamor for new clothes and complain about what their mothers made for dinner. I was always mortified. Didn't they know they were tying their mothers to the ground? Weren't chains ashamed of their prisoners?”

What nonsense. No one asked to be born

Itsthewoluff · Yesterday 17:19

Surely the 14 year old is old enough to supervise the ten year old and probably other younger children too? You could even pay her for doing so out of the regular extra hours you do.

WillieBanjo · Yesterday 17:20

Merrybandofpirates · Yesterday 17:14

Spoilt her? A child who gets nothing outside of their birthday or Christmas is not spoilt. You think this child should be grateful for simply being fed and clothes? She sounds like she doesn’t get much at all.

I’m not knocking the OP. I also get UC. It is really really tough. But her child is not spoilt.

There children round here never seen the seaside, never been to the swimming baths , never been to a farm, never been to a zoo. If it wasn’t for school or scouting they wouldn’t have ever been as a child

. I totally agree with you . It’s a wild call to think the girl is spoilt .

hourglass2 · Yesterday 17:20

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 17:12

It is such a shame children have zero compassion for their struggling parents. You spoilt that girl even on your modest income. It reminds me of White Oleander by Janet Fitch, where for the first time they depicted a child with a conscience:

“If it weren't for me, she wouldn't have to take jobs like this. She would be half a planet away, floating in a turquoise sea, dancing by moonlight to flamenco guitar. I felt my guilt like a brand.... I had seen girls clamor for new clothes and complain about what their mothers made for dinner. I was always mortified. Didn't they know they were tying their mothers to the ground? Weren't chains ashamed of their prisoners?”

The DD is not spoilt at all, she gets no pocket money, just birthday and Christmas money...

AquaFurball · Yesterday 17:20

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 17:12

It is such a shame children have zero compassion for their struggling parents. You spoilt that girl even on your modest income. It reminds me of White Oleander by Janet Fitch, where for the first time they depicted a child with a conscience:

“If it weren't for me, she wouldn't have to take jobs like this. She would be half a planet away, floating in a turquoise sea, dancing by moonlight to flamenco guitar. I felt my guilt like a brand.... I had seen girls clamor for new clothes and complain about what their mothers made for dinner. I was always mortified. Didn't they know they were tying their mothers to the ground? Weren't chains ashamed of their prisoners?”

That's a description of an emotionally abused child.

Monty36 · Yesterday 17:21

Merrybandofpirates · Yesterday 17:16

No, they offer these trips as as enrichment opportunity for our kids and it is our choice to take them up on it or not, and with that we choose to pay the costs involved. Those costs included the cost of supervision.

You are completely wrong on this and not one person has agreed with you.

I realise not one person has agreed.
I feel cross on behalf of the young girl. So something is not right. A poor child has to scrimp and save.
A teacher gets paid by the other students. And gets paid their salary on top. They decide on the trip. The students families do not.
I just think something is wrong somewhere.
As to enrichment opportunity. I have been out and about with some trips. When the students are not remotely interested at all in where they are. They did like rolling down the hill of one place I went to. And that was it.

Starlight7080 · Yesterday 17:21

Chunkybabythighs · Yesterday 15:58

How did noone predict that they would need spending money?

Exactly this . Its London for 3 day? I would have always sent my child with money for emergencies. Or just for basics .
Let your daughter lend the money . Its a nice gesture between sisters . They will always remmeber it .

Merrybandofpirates · Yesterday 17:24

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 17:18

Spoilt is not about the amount, it is about giving in, about entitlement.

Expecting spending money on a school trip does not at all equate to entitlement. You sound awful.

MaidOfSteel · Yesterday 17:24

I’m sorry to see some of the nastier, judgemental replies you’ve had, OP. MN is full of well to do, middle class types who have no idea what it’s like to be counting every single penny every week. Ignore them.

I hope you get some good news from the school soon. And congratulate yourself on having raised such a kind & generous little girl.