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To not let my younger daughter lend her sister the money for school trip?

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OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:32

My 14 year old is going on a three day school trip to London next week. I have been paying for it in instalments since the beginning of the year and have finally managed to get the main cost paid. She is really looking forward to it and has been talking about it for months. But the school has now sent a message saying they need to bring money for food, drinks and an evening activity which isn’t included. Apparently most of the children are taking at least £50. My daughter says she will be the only one without it and is getting very upset about the whole thing.

I work part time in a supermarket and get Universal Credit. Money is tight at the moment and I honestly haven’t got £50 spare. I have told her I can give her £15 and pack some food for her, but she says her friends will all be buying things throughout the day and she will be embarrassed taking a packed lunch. She also says the evening activity is something they are all doing and she doesn’t want to sit in the hotel while everyone else goes. I do understand that she wants to fit in, but I have already paid for the trip itself and can’t just magic up another £50. I have said she needs to be grateful she is going at all, which probably wasn’t the most helpful thing to say.

My younger daughter is 10 and has been saving for a new phone. She has a little tin in her bedroom and has about £80 in it from birthdays, Christmas and money relatives have given her. She has been saving for ages and keeps looking at phones online. Anyway she overheard me and her sister talking about the trip and offered to lend her £30. She said she doesn’t mind and can save it up again, and that she wants her sister to have a nice time. She wasn’t being forced or anything, she came out with it herself. But I said no straight away and told her that her money was hers and she didn’t need to pay for her sister’s school trip.

This is where it has all kicked off really. My older daughter said that her sister had offered and I was being unfair by stopping her. She said she would pay her back when she gets her birthday money, although that isn’t until next year. I said that isn’t really the point and that a 10 year old shouldn’t be lending her savings to make up for what I can’t afford. She called me mean and said I was making her feel guilty for wanting to go on the trip. I know she is disappointed but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say no. I don’t want her thinking that because her sister has some savings, she can just use them whenever she wants something.

My younger daughter is now upset with me too. She keeps saying she offered because she wanted to and that I have made it into a big thing. She has even asked if she can give her sister the money without telling me, which obviously isn’t happening. The girls were getting on quite well before this but now they are arguing about it. My older one says her sister doesn’t mind and my younger one says I am stopping her doing something kind. I don’t want either of them feeling responsible for the other’s money problems, if that makes sense. But I also don’t want to make my eldest feel like she can’t have the same experiences as her friends.

The school has said they can bring packed lunches, and the evening activity is an extra thing they have arranged while they are in London. I don’t think the school has offered any financial help, although I haven’t actually asked them directly yet. I could email and explain the situation, but I feel embarrassed doing that after managing to pay the main trip cost. My daughter says everyone has been told to bring spending money and that the teachers won’t want to hear about it. I don’t know how much of that is actually true. She has also said she will just go without food rather than take what I pack, which is worrying me.

AIBU to refuse to let my younger daughter lend her sister the money? Should my older daughter just accept that she can’t have the extras and go with the £15 I can afford, or should I be asking the school about help? I don’t want to take the trip away from her because she has been looking forward to it, but I can’t afford to keep adding money to it. And I don’t think it is right for a 10 year old to feel she needs to help pay for her sister’s school trip, even if she has offered. What would you do?

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EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 23:26

Babyboomtastic · Yesterday 22:26

I'd say borrow it from the younger sister but you pay it back not the older sister.

Clearly things are very financially precarious, and I've got a lot of sympathy with that. I'm not going to suggest you suddenly find full-time work, but that maybe you reassess options for getting a little more cash in. Just so you've got a bit of contingency and wriggle room in life. I think that'll take a lot of pressure off you as well.

There may be work you can do from home in the evenings, call centre stuff etc, or coming home by 4 rather than 3 given your children's ages.

I'm absolutely not coming at this from a 'well you should have earned more' attitude, but one of concern. If a child loses their bus pass, or you realise the chicken in your fridge has gone off a day early, or your child's trainers fall apart and they've got pe tomorrow. Those sorts of things happen all the time and unexpectedly and living on an absolute knife edge won't be doing your mental health any good either.

It doesn't need to be a lot, but something to relieve the pressure. A few hours in the evening a couple of nights a week could be the difference between just shrugging and going to buy a new pair of trainers, or panicking about how you can afford them.

Best of luck.

Sometimes when receiving UC extra hours doesn’t pay. The more you earn in wages, the less you receive in Top-Up. It is a poverty trap.
The only option is cash in hand work to add to the weekly pot, not exactly legal, ironing, babysitting etc, a lot of takeaways pay delivery drivers cash in hand.
My advice would be to take on any free courses available to you now, you’ll be working FT once they hit 16. It’s easier to work in an office than a supermarket. The medical secretary course is above minimum wage and easy enough to complete, take any computer or admin course going before the medical secretary course.

Fredshred · Yesterday 23:30

Cora0 · Yesterday 16:42

What a mean post. Why don’t you sell some things on Vinted and you pay your younger daughter back for the shortfall?

You are the parent. You are the one working part time. It’s a school trip. I would be tying myself into a knot to figure it out rather than insisting that my children go without and cover my own oversight.

You speak so poorly of your 14 year old, talking about how she spends her birthday and Christmas money. Of course she does, that’s all she gets! And things sound very lean the rest of the time. Being able to get herself something twice a year when she normally has little is not a moral failing.

Absolutely this. She doesn’t get pocket money to pay it back from. I bet she’s now wishing the whole trip wasn’t happening. I understand your life must be hard, but since when is it a 14 year old’s (or a 10 year old’s) responsibility to solve adults financial problems

Harry12345 · Yesterday 23:31

Chunkybabythighs · Yesterday 23:18

....no they're not.

Do you get benifits? Look it up, unless her rent is a lot that’s how much you can get. I was on benifits and as I was also getting school meals, free dental care, grants and my rent and council tax paid, I actually wasn’t a lot worse off than I am now, that’s my experience. I’m not dissing anyone on benifits or saying no one is struggling but I know how much people are getting and unless their rent is high or arriving debt I don’t understand how they can’t afford £30 tbh

clickyteeclick · Yesterday 23:33

Assuming this is genuine I’d like to give your daughter £20. Would you accept it? If so message me and tell her you sold some old clothes on Vinted x

Redpaisley · Yesterday 23:40

OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:44

Thank you. I think I am going to email the school and see what they say. I hadn’t really thought about asking for help with the trip itself as I had already agreed to pay it and didn’t want to make a fuss.

She probably could have saved some money over the months but she spends any money she gets quite quickly. She doesn’t really have any other money apart from birthday and Christmas money. She has said she will pay her sister back when she gets her birthday money but that seems a long way off.

I could maybe manage £30 if I cut back on a few things but it would leave me short for the rest of the month. I know £15 won’t cover everything but I was hoping she could take some food with her and just buy a drink or something. I don’t want her to miss out but I also can’t afford money I haven’t got.

You are being too stubborn, prideful to let younger dd lend older. She wants to help her sister. Older dd or you can pay her later.

OldieWoldie · Yesterday 23:41

Your younger daughter sounds lovely, no reason at all to stop her lending the money and you can pay it back as you can afford it. If it was hundreds of pounds it would be different but you must have known she'd need spending money for 3 days. I'm not surprised they are now both unhappy.

DaringQuoter · Yesterday 23:53

Don’t squash your lovely daughter’s beautiful gesture. It’s such a kind and thoughtful thing for her to suggest. Your older daughter will value her kindness and the money will be repaid eventually.Kindness never goes unrewarded. Bless them both

OldieWoldie · Yesterday 23:56

Why would the teachers be paying to go to work? They will just be paid their normal rate and probably end up out of pocket funding care for their own children while they are away .

Maray1967 · Today 00:04

Abackupplan · Yesterday 17:53

Oh ignore @Maray1967 . It was a daft suggestion to interrogate the school

Where did I suggest interrogating the school?

LivelyGreyShark · Today 00:50

I think U16's get free transport around London so that shouldn't be an issue - you might need to organise a tfl pass.

Brokentoes85 · Today 01:08

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:35

Draw up a contract that older daughter has to sign promising to pay back younger sibling post Christmas present money

Or the mum, considering it was her choice to have kids.

Tairneanach · Today 01:10

I'm confused about why your oldest daughter has to pay her sister back. It's YOU that's going to be borrowing the money for the trip as it's you that cannot currently afford to give the spending money. A 14yo shouldn't have to fund her own school enrichment activities, because school trips are enrichment activities. And of course your 14yo won't save her Christmas and birthday moneys for school trips. If she isn't getting regular pocket money she's going to use her Christmas and birthday money so she can do normal things with her friends rather than being outcast. Plus, she shouldn't have to spend her birthday and Christmas money on her own school enrichment activities.

I think you're expecting way too much from a 14yo and I think it's clear who your favourite is based on how you speak about the two girls.

Let your younger daughter give the money for the trip, then you need to pay your younger daughter back. Sell some of your things on Vinted or any old clothing that both children have outgrown. But don't expect your daughter to be the one selling her stuff to pay for the trip/paying her sister back. Absolutely baffling behaviour. Very unreasonable.

SeptUsername · Today 01:45

Merrybandofpirates · Yesterday 17:00

As we should be. Parents should be paying for the cost of the teachers’ trips. They’re taking our bloody kids and looking after them, with all the stress that comes with that. And taking that time away from their own families. It is part of the expense of school trips and parents cover those expenses.

You’re absolutely right. The thought that teachers should be paying their own way on school trips is ridiculous. Would anyone expect to pay their own way on a business trip? It’s a working trip for teachers!

Waynettaaa · Today 02:39

Shmee1988 · Yesterday 15:43

YABVU! You should let your younger daughter lend her the money. You should then be the one to pay her back. You are right, its not your younger daughters responsibility to provide, its yours. If it were a huge amount of money that would be detrimental to you then thats different. But pay your younger daughter back £5 per week. Its a win win fir all of you. Your eldest gets to enjoy her trip, your youngest does something lovely and you can pay it back weekly so youre still the one paying for it. Sounds like a pride issue to me, dont punish your daughters.

This!!!

FishersGate · Today 03:11

I am really surprised you didnt ask for help out the outset. Every school trip letter I have received asks whether the child receives pupil premium and funding. You could have possibly reduced the cost of the trip at the outset. I believe schools have to make this known

Rainallnight · Today 03:15

LivelyGreyShark · Today 00:50

I think U16's get free transport around London so that shouldn't be an issue - you might need to organise a tfl pass.

No, that stops at 11

Evergreenz · Today 03:21

OMG this sounds like such a win/win! Younger DD lends sister the money and delays purchase of a phone for a few months as she waits for older sister to pay her back. Perfect!!! (A 10 year old shouldn't have anything but a basic brick phone in any case, regardless of who pays for it)

I do not think you should pay younger sister back yourself. Let it be something between them. There's no harm for your older daughter to have some 'skin in the game' and contribute what I'm sure is a very small percentage of the overall cost of the trip (by paying back her sister).

grinandslothit · Today 04:53

It's been your contacting the school and also that the younger sister is willing to loan the money

Can you really not work full time hours you don't have infants anymore?
As in another job that pays more than the supermarket?
Do you have any qualifications at all?
Is their father still in the picture? Can your mother help out at all with childcare so you can go back to work full time?

It is sad to see children grow up in poverty

SweetnsourNZ · Today 05:03

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:55

Oh come on… she’s 14

life lesson 🙄

Edited

I agree. A 14 year old is naturally going to spend a lot more money day to day than a 10 year old especially if the parent isn't able to provide much.
Hopefully things improve for you soon OP.

sashh · Today 05:32

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 16:56

Maybe someone on mumsnet has an old phone they aren’t using and they could post it to DD2.
I hope DD1 has a lovely time. I understand the pressure trying to get by from one week to the next week.
Definitely talk to the school, hopefully they can cover the activities.

No.

I know you men well but there is nothing worse than wanting something, and in this case saving for it, and someone gives you something similar but not what you wanted.

I had it happen several times as a child, I'm almost 60 and I could tell you exactly what the substitutes were.

TwentyDunhill · Today 05:37

If you're entitled to the free school meals, they should sort it out quite quickly ❤

I would be so proud of my kids if they offered to help each other like that. That's so lovely.

Mine don't get pocket money either, purely because I can't afford it.

Are they arguing because youngest wants to lend your teen the money for the trip but you said no?

Does she have a date in mind that she wants to buy a phone by? Can you ask her if she's sure she doesn't mind lending her sister the money, and that she knows she would have to get it back a bit at a time? Not all in one go? If she understands, I'd ask her to lend her sister £50 instead of £30 aswell. Your daughter might not spend all of it, but better to have too much than not enough.

Proteinlentil · Today 06:19

There isn’t much I wouldn’t do to ensure my daughter had the full £50 for this school trip!

SeeMeRun · Today 06:22

OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:32

My 14 year old is going on a three day school trip to London next week. I have been paying for it in instalments since the beginning of the year and have finally managed to get the main cost paid. She is really looking forward to it and has been talking about it for months. But the school has now sent a message saying they need to bring money for food, drinks and an evening activity which isn’t included. Apparently most of the children are taking at least £50. My daughter says she will be the only one without it and is getting very upset about the whole thing.

I work part time in a supermarket and get Universal Credit. Money is tight at the moment and I honestly haven’t got £50 spare. I have told her I can give her £15 and pack some food for her, but she says her friends will all be buying things throughout the day and she will be embarrassed taking a packed lunch. She also says the evening activity is something they are all doing and she doesn’t want to sit in the hotel while everyone else goes. I do understand that she wants to fit in, but I have already paid for the trip itself and can’t just magic up another £50. I have said she needs to be grateful she is going at all, which probably wasn’t the most helpful thing to say.

My younger daughter is 10 and has been saving for a new phone. She has a little tin in her bedroom and has about £80 in it from birthdays, Christmas and money relatives have given her. She has been saving for ages and keeps looking at phones online. Anyway she overheard me and her sister talking about the trip and offered to lend her £30. She said she doesn’t mind and can save it up again, and that she wants her sister to have a nice time. She wasn’t being forced or anything, she came out with it herself. But I said no straight away and told her that her money was hers and she didn’t need to pay for her sister’s school trip.

This is where it has all kicked off really. My older daughter said that her sister had offered and I was being unfair by stopping her. She said she would pay her back when she gets her birthday money, although that isn’t until next year. I said that isn’t really the point and that a 10 year old shouldn’t be lending her savings to make up for what I can’t afford. She called me mean and said I was making her feel guilty for wanting to go on the trip. I know she is disappointed but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say no. I don’t want her thinking that because her sister has some savings, she can just use them whenever she wants something.

My younger daughter is now upset with me too. She keeps saying she offered because she wanted to and that I have made it into a big thing. She has even asked if she can give her sister the money without telling me, which obviously isn’t happening. The girls were getting on quite well before this but now they are arguing about it. My older one says her sister doesn’t mind and my younger one says I am stopping her doing something kind. I don’t want either of them feeling responsible for the other’s money problems, if that makes sense. But I also don’t want to make my eldest feel like she can’t have the same experiences as her friends.

The school has said they can bring packed lunches, and the evening activity is an extra thing they have arranged while they are in London. I don’t think the school has offered any financial help, although I haven’t actually asked them directly yet. I could email and explain the situation, but I feel embarrassed doing that after managing to pay the main trip cost. My daughter says everyone has been told to bring spending money and that the teachers won’t want to hear about it. I don’t know how much of that is actually true. She has also said she will just go without food rather than take what I pack, which is worrying me.

AIBU to refuse to let my younger daughter lend her sister the money? Should my older daughter just accept that she can’t have the extras and go with the £15 I can afford, or should I be asking the school about help? I don’t want to take the trip away from her because she has been looking forward to it, but I can’t afford to keep adding money to it. And I don’t think it is right for a 10 year old to feel she needs to help pay for her sister’s school trip, even if she has offered. What would you do?

you’ve worked hard to get the money together, but honestly needing spending money isn’t surprising, and if you couldn’t afford the trip cost and money for spending the answer should have been no.
not everyone can afford to go on school trips like this, it sucks but that’s life. It sounds like you couldn’t afford this anyway because you had to work extra for so long to pay the basic trip cost. I appreciate wanting to give your kids the experience, but you would have known people would be taking extra money and not just rocking up on the trip itself.

sparrowhawkhere · Today 06:27

I disagree, it’s so lovely for the girl she is going. It also makes you realise how hard many people have it financially. How many people reading this thread are thinking about how easy their own children have it? That the request for £50 would be met with ‘no problem’ and no real acknowledgement by the child of what a treat that is.

I really hope you get some help today.

Proteinlentil · Today 06:30

Maray1967 · Today 00:04

Where did I suggest interrogating the school?

You would ask for the school to provide a financial breakdown of this trip and you don’t want to sub the teachers?

You don’t have kids @Maray1967 ? 🤞

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