To think that the dressing gown was one step too far?

[Imdunfer]

In a petrol station buying a coffee at nine thirty in the morning. Looking down realised that the young woman behind me was wearing obvious pyjamas. And slippers. Then looking up to see a fluffy cream dressing gown.

I can't decide if it matters. I was brought up to believe that it shows a complete lack of self respect, and a lack of respect for anyone else, but does it, these days?

YABU. Perfectly normal wear for filling up your car.

YANBU. What is the world coming to that anyone thinks that's reasonable.

Utterly skanky.

I saw a young woman at the drop-off area of Gatwick airport wearing pjs, a dressing gown and slippers. I wanted to…I don’t know what I wanted to do. Tell her off/Tell her to have some decorum/Get security to remove her.

That's why that poster is "Bored" Zelda!

Only joking really: she has a point.

I think people are missing the point about what the nightwear wearers are signalling. They haven’t just rolled out of bed. It’s not ‘laziness’. They have deliberately dressed like this. It’s a fashion statement hence the over the top ‘teddy’ type nightwear.

It’s essentially attention seeking. They know they are breaking societies’ ‘rules’ and want to throw out a strong social signal that they know will create an impact. “The rules don’t apply to me, I don’t care about conventions, I don’t care about you, I’ll do what I like. I am worth more than you silly people who conform. Look how self assured I am”
This kind of behaviour is often displayed by people, especially young people who feel the opposite to what they are signalling. Likely feel disenfranchised by society or who may be jobless. They want to feel and show that they can influence the world and make people react and show they are worthwhile. It’s a similar story behind anti social behaviour; the mindless vandalism or people deliberately inflicting noise on others.
In reality the wearer is saying ‘I’m desperate for attention’

I drive through a rough area to do the school run and we see loads of women walking around in pyjamas, robes and slippers! It’s grim to see and makes them look lazy and trampy I’m sorry to say.

When I was a kid in the 60s I never ever saw this. Nor in the 70's or 80's. Since Ive lived here in Somerset for the past 6 years Ive seen it a lot especially in the chippy. Whole families in pyjamas, onesies and dressing gowns.
How hard is it to shove a tracksuit on? If I went out like that one day Id know I had really given up on life.

It’s essentially attention seeking. They know they are breaking societies’ ‘rules’ and want to throw out a strong social signal that they know will create an impact. “The rules don’t apply to me, I don’t care about conventions, I don’t care about you, I’ll do what I like. I am worth more than you silly people who conform. Look how self assured I am”
This kind of behaviour is often displayed by people, especially young people who feel the opposite to what they are signalling.

I agree with this and it actually sums up what Fashion is all about. A way of belonging by posing as someone who doesn't care to! There are a lot of contradictions in societal behaviours.

This is just one more development in the ongoing arc that has encompassed mini skirts, mohawks, Goth stylings etc etc. Fluffy dressing gowns are probably pretty tame in the broader scheme!

Agree with Factual Observation! Who the hell mentioned race? 🙄

The decency? Wow. 😒

Exactly right. In my day there were goths, gang patches, Brosettes, grungers, townies, hoodies. We send a social signal with our clothing every day; who we are, what ‘tribe’ we belong to, what we stand for.
I see groups of well to do ‘mummies’ walking through shopping centres head to toe in Lululemon and Vegas. My niece in California is what she calls a ‘basic girl’ Ali g with all her friends. Shes extremely clever but Unashamedly focused on her appearance and getting a suitable suitor so she doesn’t need to work. They all clop around in Daisy Dukes, big slouch socks and fluffy Ugg slippers with a glum look on their face

The nightwear wearers are out for the reaction. The concept that someone thinks… “wow they don’t care what others think! How brave and authentic of them! How silly I feel in my jeans and t shirt. “

I'm another one who really can't see the issue. I wouldn't do it myself but I really don't care how others dress and it affects me in absolutely no way at all.

Well that's just ridiculous. You can do as you wish but I recently spent 8 days in hospital and rarely saw any patients wearing clothes. It's a hospital for goodness sake! I was more than happy to wear hospital gowns - not that I had much choice, I went in to the local hospital late at night and was transferred to another city the next day so I had no clothes to wear even if I had wanted to. I walked around the ward several times a day in my gown and everyone else was wearing them too. It doesn't seem to have had any negative effect on my life.

Wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume they have washed before putting the pyjamas on that morning?

Exactly this! Especially the bit about pjs and gowns covering a lot more than some outfits seen these days, which apparently are quite acceptable.

A woman I know had a significant birthday celebration at a local cafe, all her friends attended in their nightwear before work (planned). If one of them had needed to stop for petrol on the way so be it.

The world did not end.

🙄 The point I’m trying to make is having the choice regarding wearing sleepwear, or not as the case maybe. What do you deem to be so ridiculous about wanting to have that choice?

Who would want to go to bed in nightwear worn outside? Or do those that do change into different nightwear for bed?

I wouldn’t do it but I really can’t get worked up about it. The offense is clearly invented because the person is not naked, they are just wearing clothes we have societally decided are currently for indoors. But these things change (active wear anyone?). Besides, no one is being hurt. More power to her.

I would en the same as you.
I work on a mental health ward. Patients are encouraged to get dressed in the morning. It is seen as an important part of rehab for people to be motivated enough to get up and care and dress appropriately. It is part of engaging with normal society and an important skill to learn. That you have to wear clothes appropriate to the environment!

What's more hideous is stepping into bed with those very pyjamas afterwards.

Well, I appreciate that in the context of a MH ward, but there's no evidence at all that people who go to the shop or petrol station or down to hotel breakfasts in their pyjamas suffer from poor MH, by and large. To them, this is 'engaging with normal society'

Why would you go from naked from the shower to pyjamas, slippers and a fluffy cream dressing gown if you knew you were going out?

Why would you do that? Why? It’s totally incomprehensible that someone would look and their choice of clothes and think ‘nah. Why wear clothes when I could wear PJs instead?’. But then again I’m not a scuzzy little tramp or an avid attention seeker.

Having the choice is, as I said, your right. What is ridiculous is thinking that you need to be dressed in a hospital. Anyone can wear clothing in hospital if they want to surely, but why on earth would you want to? Wear hospital gowns, no washing to be done.

Well you can live in the burbs in oz and not have all this uppity crap that you guys go on about. Our buildings and outdoor areas are clean. People are clean mostly. But no one gives a shit how others dress. Its relaxed. Pop into the supermarket with kids straight from the beach then grab a meal - no issue. Winter is the same. Its a great way to live.

Im a brit born and bred by the way and have dual citizenship and I live back here now. Theres soooo much I prefer about the UK (Im a massive history geek for a start). But this stuff is the stuff I absolutely hate. That and the way people incensantly bang on about what they have. Stuff. Makes me crave to be back there. People here need to get over themselves.

I visited Hampton Court Palace the other week. Glorious day, but my flip flops were causing me blisters. I took my shoes off and walked around for rest of it. The looks I got!!! Like I suddenly had grown another head. My DP had to point out that I wasnt in Oz now and people woudl just think I was weird. So bizarre.

Since when did wanting to exercise choice become ridiculous ????

I agree. Personally I wouldn’t. But I suppose conversely we shouldn’t automatically assume that someone wearing outdoor clothes has necessarily washed themselves either. The point I was trying to make was that we can’t confidently comment on someone’s personal hygiene standards purely based on what they’re wearing.