To say all pro-Palestinians should watch Fauda on Netflix?

[FuadaFan]

Now it is a drama about how the Israeli security services deal with the conflict but it is apparently pretty accurate and is amazingly well produced and acted.

Season 5, which covers Oct 7th has just come out after a long delay.

I've had to take a break after episode 7 because it's so distressing but it still doesn't even come close to what happened that day.

I think it's gives a clearer idea as to the truth of what has been going on and it does try to give a perspective from both sides.

I think every pro-Palestinian should watch it.

AIBU?

All the hostages were killed by their own people.

No-one on the thread has said this. If you think they have, do post a screenshot to correct me.

I am also expecting someone to bring up "rape dogs" soon.

The only people who keeps bringing up the “rape dogs” are pro Israel posters, you possibly or someone else I can’t remember. Strange.

Yes, we can all read what you said.

I do not want to be educated on how I cannot criticise the Israeli government and the IDF, but thank you for your offer.

If I was going to seek information about antisemitism I would seek it from someone

1. who was honest in their conversation with me

2. who didn’t feel the need to resort to personal insults when they didn’t like the way the conversation was going

3. who gave me the impression that they respected all peoples.

I hope that helps you understand my position.

It may surprise you to hear that many of us are talking about things that are said on places other than “this thread”. These dangerous myths not being on this specific thread doesn’t mean they aren’t being said.

And the New York Post - an enormous newspaper, one of the biggest in the world - published the dog rape story. Would you like to hear why this lie links antisemitism?

Again with the melodrama - and to think you say other people make things up.

I didn’t say you couldn’t criticise the Israeli government rent. Quote the opposite. I said I could educate you on how you can do this without causing harm to innocent Jewish and Israeli people. But shock horror, you’re not interested.

I dont think I’ve made personal insults? Or been dishonest?You must have got me confused with someone else.

And no I don’t respect “all peoples”. Why would I?! You certainly don’t, nor are you obliged to.

So I’m guessing you’re willing to learn about antisemitism but only from someone who will allow you to say whatever you like after 🤣 are you also one of these u corn people I always see on MN who has “loads of Jewish friends who go on pro-Palestinian marches”?

but also refer to Jews as a collective

This is weak stuff. The definition of antisemitism requires referring to Jews as a collective. You have referred to Jews as a collective. It is not antisemitic to do so. You are talking nonsense.

For someone not one interested in being educated on dangerous anntisemitism around the Israel/gaza war, and the affects on marginalised vulnerable people, you suddenly are an expert on the defintiion? Ok

What exactly have you never seen? What’s so outrageous about pp’s post?

No, EnglishLady02 was specifically claiming these things have been said on this thread.

EnglishLady02 · Today 22:44

Um.... various people on this thread have tried to Minimise and deny October 7th already. Saying things like

• Israel knew and let it happen to "justify genocide"
• All the hostages were killed by their own people.

I am also expecting someone to bring up "rape dogs" soon.

Shame there's not a whole separate subforum for this topic.

I didn’t say you couldn’t criticise the Israeli government rent. Quote the opposite. I said I could educate you on how you can do this without causing harm to innocent Jewish and Israeli people. But shock horror, you’re not interested.

Would it amaze you if I said that, having read your posts on this thread. I don’t believe you?

I don’t think I’ve made personal insults? Or been dishonest?You must have got me confused with someone else.

No. Not confused at all. Lots of petty insults. Lots of deliberate “misinterpretations” of my posts so that you can attack me. I can’t be bothered going back to give examples. I know, you know.

You’ve also made two very unpleasant personal attack posts about everyone on the thread who has posted criticising Israel which I have reported and hope MN will delete in the morning.

And no I don’t respect “all peoples”. Why would I?! You certainly don’t, nor are you obliged to.

“Peoples” means the different races, ethnicities and religions. Thanks for confirming your view.

So I’m guessing you’re willing to learn about antisemitism but only from someone who will allow you to say whatever you like after 🤣 are you also one of these u corn people I always see on MN who has “loads of Jewish friends who go on pro-Palestinian marches”?

Last para, just made up stuff, can’t be bothered.

Good point. You can report to MN and they will probably move ithe thread.

You think you need to be an expert to know that the definition refers to Jews as a collective?

Oh my word

Well it’s a good job people can read things back.

But you apparently don’t believe me because you don’t WANT to be educated on antisemitism. Why not? Why would you not want to learn how to reduce hatred of the world’s most vulnerable group right now?

And no I don’t respect all races ethnicities and religions. I don’t respect most relgiions because too many oppress women. I don’t replace the races and ethnicities that actively see women as second class citizens and impose child marriage on little girls.and you don’t respect all people’s, nobody does.

But I think this is the third time you e rejected my offer to tell you what Antisemitism looks like in the ME debate. Which, frankly says it all. So boo hoo if you don’t like the “insult”, I’ll save my sympathy for the Jewish people who suffer every day because people like you would prefer to believe propoganda and stick your fingers in your ears and say “la la la I’m not listening” when talking about Jew hatred

It was a tongue in cheek comment.

but “oh my word” indeed - here I am trying to talk about the position of antisemitism in the pro-pal movement - which is causing actual harm, deaths and destruction - and you’re obtusely slavering over semantics.

I mean are any pro-Pals ACTUALLY original? You all make things up, spout melodramatic nonsense, play the victim and continually dodge any conversations about antisemitism (it baffles me why you wouldn’t want to talk about this unless you’re antisemitic). And yet we’re meant to believe it’s just about criticising the Israeli government. Sure. We see you.

You’re telling me in the same post that you don’t respect all races and ethnicities and then berating me because I don't want to be “educated” in antisemitism by you?

You literally don’t believe that all races and ethnicities are equal but want to lecture me about antisemitism?

I think you need to give it a rest, don’t you?

Calm down and give over. It doesn’t work on me.
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Op mentioned Hamas killing Arabs in the Fauda episode and this is rooted in truth. More people should know about what happened to the Arabs who refused to back Hamas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/freed-hostage-bilal-ziyadne-hamas-kidnapped-us-even-though-they-knew-were-arab/

This is as per Google AI and I will bring some links in a minute :

First Responders of October 7The Nova Festival Rescue: An Arab Israeli minibus driver named Amer Abu Sabila was near the Nova music festival when the attack began. He spotted two young Jewish girls whose father had just been killed by gunmen. Instead of fleeing to save himself, Abu Sabila jumped into their car to drive them to safety. Tragically, he was ambushed and killed alongside the girls' mother while trying to protect them

.The Al-Qur'an Brothers: Four Bedouin brothers from the town of Rahat—Malik, Tariq, Bashir, and Sultan—were working near the border. When the attack hit, they hopped into their pickup trucks and drove directly into the gunfire. Over multiple trips, they loaded terrified, fleeing festival-goers into the back of their trucks, saving over 30 people.
The Bedouin Tracker Units: The Israeli military relies heavily on the Desert Reconnaissance Battalion, a unit made up entirely of Bedouin Muslim volunteers who are expert trackers. On October 7, these soldiers fought on the front lines to defend the border kibbutzim. Several Bedouin soldiers were killed in action, and others were taken hostage.

Can we assume that's what you want?

No many posters over there anymore so not many will see it.

Mind you, you've been one of if not the most prolific poster on this thread.

Thanks for this Jane. I've heard vague accounts but I appreciate you providing more details and a link. It says a lot about the evil depravity of Hamas that they'd murder other Arab Muslims just for having some humanity 🙄

“Rape dogs” was bought up by pro Pals on the CITME board. Now that’s a vile place but you probably already know it.

OK sweetheart - nice cartoon btw :)

Where did I say or imply you were Jewish? In fact how can we assume anyone's nationality unless they tell us and we believe them?

You're welcome. I hope you don't work for Allan's Snackbar.

I'd avoid the CITME threads. There are numerous deleted posts for antisemitism. It's hidden in a corner of mn for a reason. I used to read the threads but no point replying to the small number of repetitive posters banging on about how Israel....... etc with little accountability on their freedom fighters.

I think that for some blaming just Israel is there way. There is a factual, proven rise in antisemitism in the UK. There have been terror attacks resulting in deaths here too. Jewish people do need more protection at school and security due to antisemitism in the UK. Some people appear unable to separate the Israeli government from Jewish people in the UK.

You were literally assuming me and @FreshJalapenos were Israeli agents a while back. I'm still waiting for by pay from the "Hasbara cartel". Jewish isn't a nationality btw.