To say all pro-Palestinians should watch Fauda on Netflix?

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Now it is a drama about how the Israeli security services deal with the conflict but it is apparently pretty accurate and is amazingly well produced and acted.

Season 5, which covers Oct 7th has just come out after a long delay.

I've had to take a break after episode 7 because it's so distressing but it still doesn't even come close to what happened that day.

I think it's gives a clearer idea as to the truth of what has been going on and it does try to give a perspective from both sides.

I think every pro-Palestinian should watch it.

AIBU?

British journalists interview terrorist leaders quite often without being accused of being terrorists themselves….unless they are Palestinians I suppose?

British journalist Robert Fisk met Osama bin Laden 3 times to interview him.

Frank Gardner (also British) did a full investigative documentary on Al Qaeda.

BBC correspondents Lyse Doucet and Christian Fraser, frequently cover and interview Taliban figures.

British journalists like Peter Taylor and John Ware spent decades investigating and interviewing members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) during the conflict known as the Troubles

You're confusing a decision made in the heat of battle and a confined area with a deliberate decision to maliciously kill you own kind. It was a hostage situation, mistakes happen: that's not the same as just "yeah let's kill them who cares?"

Link please? And please do read it as the last UN report you posted said something completely different from what you said it did.

Its not purely interviewing a terrorist: its presenting what said terrorist says in a positive light and using it to inform popular conceptions of your country's armed forces.

Established by whom? With what evidence?

They have been here for a long time. I dropped off these threads for this reason.

Wait so the last UN report I quoted didn't say

> "My Special Representative concluded that the complexity and modus operandi of the attacks demonstrated a significant level of planning, coordination and detailed prior knowledge of the targets selected (see S/2024/217). In May 2024, the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court submitted applications for warrants for the arrest of three political and military commanders of Hamas, citing reasonable grounds to believe that they bear criminal responsibility for war crimes and crimes against humanity, including rape and other forms of sexual violence, committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine from at least 7 October 2023"<

Cos it sure appears to say that.

Not everything is a Jewish conspiracy Holly.

Hmm, just googled that incident and this is the result:

On October 7, Hamas militants took over the home of kibbutz resident Pessi Cohen, holding roughly 15 Israeli hostages (including two 12-year-old children) alongside heavily armed terrorists.

IDF Division Commander Brigadier General Barak Hiram acknowledged ordering a tank to fire light shells toward the perimeter/structure of the home to breach the standoff, stating the situation had to be resolved to prevent captives from being dragged into Gaza.

Tragically, 13 of the 14 civilian hostages inside were killed during the intense firefight and shelling, with only two surviving.

Subsequent IDF investigations concluded that the commanders' actions were a reasonable tactical decision under extreme combat stress, and internal military probes disputed whether tank fire or terrorist gunfire/grenades ultimately caused most of the fatalities.

That sounds somewhat more nuanced than ‘IDF tank commander deliberately killed Israeli hostages’.

And of course none of that would have happened had Hamas not decided to launch an attack that day.

Heat of battle? Confined area?
Um no, that’s not how the incident unfolded. It was no mistake either.
You might want to read the eye witness accounts, including the tank commander’s, before commenting further.

You missed a part, the one about obesity rates.

" The prevalence rates of underweight, overweight, and obesity among school children in the West Bank were 7.3%, 14.5%, and 15.7%, respectively. Age, gender, and living area were significant predictors of being overweight among school children. The prevalence rates of overweight and obesity among adults in Palestine were 57.8% and 26.8%, respectively. Obesity is associated with a family history, chronic diseases, and low physical activity among adults. Exclusive breastfeeding was below the WHO recommendations, while significant rates of obesity and overweight were found among children and adults."

No, I was referring to the malnutrition is lower in Gaza than in some European countries UN link which did not say anything like that.

I asked for a link for the ‘fewer than 14 people killed from using the Hannibal directive ‘ comment you made.

Confused by your posting about ICC arrest warrants.

Ok, and? Your link is about Gaza from 2011 to 2023. Yes I’m sure some people were obese before the siege of 2024-2026. You do understand that a person can be both malnourished and obese? Just realised that you may not know this overlap exists.

Yes I think you're right.

The accusation is never made the other way is it - that posters recommending programmes or podcasts etc hostile to Israel must be being paid to post.

A rational position to take is that Mumsnetters do just have different opinions on things and don't need to be paid to support who they support (or vice versa).

Yasmin Porat and Hadas Dagan’s accounts are also worth reading to get different perspectives. The official report from IDF is not going to admit wrongdoing as then the grieving families would sue for compensation.

There's a link to a detailed account but it was behind a paywall. So we have this to suffice. But what do you think Hamas were doing in that Kibbutz? Politely playing cards? Actually you probably do think that....

So basically "if the evidence doesn't support my position, the evidence is lying". Typical Pro Palestinian perspective.

No doubt you also believe all 1200 casualties were killed by the Israelis.

Here is the relevant section of the report: and here's some images of Gazans in 2025 and 2026.

None of these accounts would be necessary had Hamas not attacked that day.
The IDF commander didn’t just randomly decide to kill Israeli civilians.
Hamas (and other helpful Gazans) are the perpetrators here.

Sorry what? I stated correctly that an Israeli tank commander deliberately killed Israeli hostages. The official report you posted also corroborates this fact.
It excuses the deaths as collateral damage and states the commanders acted professionally. The accounts by civilian eye witnesses, Yasmin Porat and Hadas Dagan are also evidence that has a different perspective on whether it really was necessary to order tanks to fire on a house full of Israeli hostages. When BG Hiram gave the order to open fire he stated “even at the cost of civilian casualties” and this is reflected in the report.

Starving Gazans montage...

He wasn’t targeting the Israeli hostages, so he didn’t deliberately kill them.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-commander-who-oversaw-oct-7-battle-in-beeri-apologizes-to-bereaved-residents/

No, you tried to suggest all the hostages were will by Israel, as per the conspiracy theory. You demanded evidence it was only 14 and when provided with said doubled down on the "intentional and malicious killing not in a combat context" narrative.

How does this prove Hamas didn't invade and didn't kill anyone which is your basic premise?