AIBU to think parents should lose benefits /homes for persistently antisocial children?

[Soddingcat]

This has been suggested, im not sure if it will happen , but i think this is a great idea, if the parents think they will lose their council house and benefits , they may attempt to to control their feral offspring .

My friend is in a local harriers group that starts at a local sports centre in the rough part of town, they are now having to stop their favourite route because of gangs of young teens who intimidate them , run along side them and are abusive, one delightful boy said “ lift your legs higher you c**t ,

How have we come to this ?
Do you think it will make any difference ?

I would remove child benefit from them too , maybe this will force them to parent if they risk losing money or their home

Obviously not all the parents are bad, but virtually all the awful kids round here riding motor bikes with hoods, abusing people are from the council estates near by

Im absolutely sick of it, and sick of decent people being targeted by them

What rules /sanctions would wise mumsnetters suggest ?

I think that its partly down to the current political climate but I suggest that the state needs to find its mojo again and a willingness to step in where needed.

That means addressing ASB and everything around the perpetrators.

I dont want to get diverted by 'what' but it should be programmes and interventions which can be shown to work

I live in middle Class suburbia.

How do we punish the parents of the feral shits around here?

There is no shame within some of these families. Never their fault, always others. Look at the balloon events for those scum who killed the police officers.

You would think they would keep a low profile but they were showing off and unfortunately the rest of us were having two fingers given to us. Look at the low lifes who dragged PC Harper to his death. Wave and laughing during the case. Shame on them…

https://youthendowmentfund.org.uk/toolkit/

This is a really credible source and one of the highest impact interventions to reduce violence are nutrition programmes. So much for the loaf of bread a day for kids on the street punishment one poster suggested...

And when they don’t respond to said peer pressure either because they’re addicted to drugs, mentally ill or just complete selfish cunts who don’t care about their family?
Just make the entire family homeless because of one person’s transgressions? It’s in the bible not to punish the son for the sin of the father and vice versa

Now imagine those families having their houses and benefits taken from them. Do you think their behaviour would improve or would they just ramp up the antisocial behaviour, they probably already get more money from criminal activities than benefits. I have no sympathy with these people but putting them out on the street will not help anyone.

Well there are no consequences for any behaviour these days - and this what you get.

And one of my favourite lines from this toolkit for the people who suggested military style camps: "The research suggests that young people who participate in a boot camp have been 6% more likely to become involved in future violent and non-violent crime."

I think there should be consequences just not consequences that make things worse.

I don’t disagree in principle but how is making people ans children homeless going to help anyone. Also what do we do about the Parents who actually own their own homes you can’t throw them out with the garbage can you.

Yes and at that point they certainly won’t give a shiny shit how their little darlings behave because once they’re on the streets and at rock bottom they’ll have nothing to lose.

The kids from the worst homes preferred bootcamp and did not want to go home.

And how will it be better when they're homeless and penniless and making even more of a nuisance of themselves because they'll then the whole family will need to steal and do god knows what just to eat?

I don't understand, sorry?

It’s more than a nuisance of themselves! Presumably the kids from the worst homes had no discipline or boundaries whatsoever.

No, in an ideal world there should be staffed support centres for struggling families to move to. Ideally before it gets to the stage of the child being persistently antisocial.
Where the parents can learn how to parent more effectively, access help with other issues they might have. The children can have proper support and boundaries and would be educated there in smaller groups with a focus on life and employability skills.
It would of course cost an absolute fortune but I did say in an ideal world.

Of course it wouldn’t address the issue of those families with diligent parents who know how to be good parents but have a tear away child. I was one of those, my parents were both working and owned their house. The only benefit they got was child benefit. I was miserable at school due to bullying that wasn’t dealt with effectively and undiagnosed ADHD. I pushed every boundary in an act of rebellion. Taking away child benefit wouldn’t have changed my behaviour.

What do you do about parents who have no interest in "learning how to parent more effectively"?

It would certainly serve as an example to those on the cusp of that, that there are actual consequences, and if they don't shape up they will be spending their winter sleeping outdoors. There wouldn't need to be many families made homeless to get the message across to the others. It would be far better for society as a whole, and that is the whole point, the greater good.

Apparently by making them live in tents in the streets 🤷🤷

Is it only council tenants and benefit claimants that have difficult children? Really?

🤣🤣🤣 get your silver spoon out will you?!
what links do council houses have with asbo kids?

I could just imagine who is behind the screen

What's ridiculous? They've got massive bad boy complexes and roam this leafy burb in ballys and North Face jackets hollering in the early hours, egging doors, turning over bins, smoking weed and breaking the wing-mirrors off cars not on drives, trying to distance themselves from their over-sized privilege. It's not so bad in term time when some are away at school, but the holidays have been pretty grim for the last few years.

I am a council tenant. I have worked full time since being 16, managed to proudly escape domestic abuse and get a safe home for my family and I’ve just cut back from full time hours to part time purely to parent my kids best I can being a single mother. You will probably pull your face thinking “typical, part time council estate” but that’s why you should not judge. I reduced my hours so that I can be there the after school to raise my children right. Raise them with love, affection, teach them right from wrong, etc. I’d be damned if my children are growing up causing mayhem without my knowing, or full efforts in teaching them right from wrong.

I could say all wealthy parents kids end up with drug problems because they prioritise work and neglect their children so their kids find comfort through drugs. Is that fair or true?

we could parent shame all day long, but there’s good and bad everywhere. You ARE being unreasonable because you’re tarnishing all council tenants with the same brush.
You don’t become a council tenant just because you’re a scummy mummy. It is for reasons such as homelessness, escaping domestic abuse, loosing your jobs, health issues, leaving the army in some cases.

Yes absolutely, driving people into poverty and homelessness is the best way to ensure that they raise lovely children. I don't know why no-one thought of it before

Losing homes?! Absolutely not. PIP - again absolutely not.

However - something to be said for potentially docking child benefit relating to a child who is being anti-social. Perhaps only over the age of 12 or something.

Would be impossible to implement but a good potential idea.