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AIBU to feel upset after hearing anti-redhead comments at library children’s event?

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future1 · Yesterday 13:18

I took my child to a baby and toddler event at the library this morning. There was a mum with her baby whose hair was starting to come through. She was telling her friends loudly how happy she was that her child wasn’t ginger because her husband had some redheads in his family and they were so worried about it.

All said in earshot of my red haired daughter. Luckily she was oblivious but she won’t always be.

This was in a very diverse part of SE London and the mum sounded educated and like she should know better.

I’m not from the UK and was aware of the bullying redheads faced here in the past but maybe naively thought those days were over. Is this what my daughter is going to have to live through here?

And if that woman is reading this, or her friends who laughed along - shame on you.

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SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · Today 10:40

There’s red hair in my family. My experience is that the negativity is more or less gone, certainly my family members get more compliments than anything. It does stand out though, always has!

ps we’re northern English, there are others with it around up here.

beadystar · Today 10:59

Strawberrryfields · Today 03:42

Is it offensive to say ginger? Getting mixed responses from this thread. I would normally use red or ginger interchangeably as thought it was just the same. (Not GinGer with a hard ‘G’ if that makes sense just like ginger biscuits).

Sorry that happened OP, awful and unacceptable.

I have red hair and ‘ginger’ is always used as an insult, not a mere descriptive term. Even as an adult I find it ignorant. Said no thanks to a man who was trying it on not that long ago and he turned around and snapped ‘ginger bitch’.. Have a listen to Tim Minchin’s ‘Prejudice’ which is just a brilliant way to explain how it is.

OrlandointheWilderness · Today 11:06

I’m a redhead. It’s worst as a teenager but tbh I was very comfortable with my hair and it didn’t bother me. I got bullied far worse for being fat!
as an adult I’ve never had a bad comment.

Strawberrryfields · Today 11:06

beadystar · Today 10:59

I have red hair and ‘ginger’ is always used as an insult, not a mere descriptive term. Even as an adult I find it ignorant. Said no thanks to a man who was trying it on not that long ago and he turned around and snapped ‘ginger bitch’.. Have a listen to Tim Minchin’s ‘Prejudice’ which is just a brilliant way to explain how it is.

How horrible. Will be dropping ginger then from now on (even though I’ve never used it in a nasty way!) Will take a look at the Tim Minchin thing, thanks.

OrlandointheWilderness · Today 11:07

Oh apart from two 50 year old blokes shouting ‘Oi Ginge’ across a petrol station when I was in my thirties. I stopped, laughed at them and asked if they were really still doing that. They looked embarrassed, mumbled ‘sorry love’ and drove off.

OrlandointheWilderness · Today 11:08

I’m happy with ginger. Some bloke once said I was strawberry blonde before which was worse but he didn’t want to offend me by saying redhead!

Ponoka7 · Today 11:14

future1 · Yesterday 13:37

That doesn’t mean we should tolerate it or accept it.

We do tolerate it, though. All the 'as long as it's healthy' when asked the sex. There's multiple threads about awards at school. You are born with your intelligence level, hard work should be rewarded, but some awards are akin to beauty contests. The attendance awards rewards healthy children who have good immune systems. Parents talk all the time about how relieved they are about their children not needing glasses/passing hearing tests. Challenge in the moment. My son in law has the strong ginger gene. I do feel for him dodging the sunshine, that's the only downside.

mumumental · Today 11:18

Some of us don’t tolerate it and we also teach our children to know better.

LilOleMe2 · Today 11:22

Haven't read the full thread but assume someone has already pointed out that it is rooted in prejudice against Irush Catholics.
JK Rowling echoes this with her portrayal of the red haired Weasleys as a large, poor (implying catholic) family, looked down upon by the Malfoys and their ilk.
I think it's still alive and well, only a few years ago Tesco sold a Xmas card (Santa loves all children even the ginger ones) and people talk about 'kick-a-ginger' day ( which if it were any other characteristic would probably be a hate crime) seems a source of humour for some 😡

UnctuousUnicorns · Today 11:25

Rather a redhead than a dickhead. DH and I both have cousins who have red hair, so it was no surprise to us (DH fair haired, myself brown haired) when our third child was born with a full head of red hair. Although we're English, we live in Scotland, where red hair is very common. To my knowledge the only bother DD ever had was from one dickhead at her school. He had clearly forgotten where he lived, bless him.

SueKeeper · Today 11:27

My dad's family was all red haired and my brother has it, so I've grown up wishing I had red hair rather than boring mousy brown. I am in Scotland though, so it's not that unusual.

I think anything unusual brings comments, but my brother had way more compliments than insults and there are pros and cons to everything that makes you stand out a bit. For example, in his football team there were 8 brown-ish haired boys, one black boy, my brother and a boy with almost white hair. The latter three were selected for things at a disproportionate rate as every time they did something well it was instantly recognised, whereas the others kind of blended in with each other. I suppose the reverse is true if you mess up.

If you stand out you want to blend in, but if you blend in, you often have times you wished you stood out. Do say something to the woman though, see it as practice for being your DCs advocate.

Vartden · Today 11:31

We are a red haired family and just don't hear any of this. Lots of compliments though!

SevenYellowHammers · Today 11:40

19 years ago, around a week after I’d given birth to my red haired baby, my parents looked after them so I could get my red hair cut and styled.

A nice treat you’d think? Well no, the conversation amongst the stylists and customers was why you should drown ginger babies.

I wasn’t in a state to say anything, looking back I was a bit shocked mentally and physically after a tough birth, so I let it go.

I was still at that stage where your hormones make every cell in your body stand to attention to protect your kid. So it didn’t feel ironic or funny, just genuinely threatening.

If it happened now they’d regret the day they ever crawled upon the earth, I can tell you!

I’m not going to say it’s as bad as racism, I’m not stupid! But I got a little taste of how that level of stupidity and nastiness must feel.

mondaytosunday · Today 11:42

I think red boys get teased more. My DD has red hair (on the auburn side but people still refer to her as ginger) and she gets nothing but compliments! She does have amazing thick wavy hair now well past her waist.

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