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to think a lot of men will not marry if they already get everything?

416 replies

Pinkshocks · 28/07/2026 18:33

If he is already getting everything on a plate, a committed partner, a sexual relationship, children, someone to split the bills with, emotional support and a family life, all without making any legal or lifelong commitment, why would he change anything?

I know this does NOT apply to every couple or to ALL men. Some people genuinely do not want to marry and both are happy with that. But if one person wants marriage and the other keeps putting it off year after year, are they really going to change when they are already getting everything they want?

Why would someone buy the ticket when they are already getting the whole show for free?

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DixonD · Yesterday 00:48

Sunnyday321 · 28/07/2026 18:36

Myself and dh married a couple of years ago after many ( many ! ) years together .
So I don't think I agree with you .

Same for us. Married after 11 years. That said, I absolutely believe he would have married me MUCH sooner if we didn’t already have the house, joint finances, baby etc.

His brother has been in a relationship for 18 years, house, family etc. Engaged for 12 years…still no wedding as, I think, he already has everything.

Weirdwonderfully · Yesterday 00:49

What a bizarre take. Some people don’t get married till after all of the building because once they get married every single foundations built life has began and the love is the strongest it’s ever been. Not to mention some women don’t want to get married the minute they meet their man either just because they want sex, a house and children

Weirdwonderfully · Yesterday 00:53

Pinkshocks · Yesterday 00:30

Helpful contribution to the thread.

More helpful than anything you’ve said

Bobloblaw84 · Yesterday 00:56

Why would I want to get married?

ThatCheeseNeedsEating · Yesterday 01:26

ChickenBananaBanana · 28/07/2026 18:35

Imo they will marry you if they actually love you. If not, they don't.

Completely untrue. Marriage doesn't prove that someone loves you.
People marry for other reasons too
Fear of being left on the shelf, arranged marriages, marriages of convenience , for money to name a few.

Pinkshocks · Yesterday 02:33

Weirdwonderfully · Yesterday 00:49

What a bizarre take. Some people don’t get married till after all of the building because once they get married every single foundations built life has began and the love is the strongest it’s ever been. Not to mention some women don’t want to get married the minute they meet their man either just because they want sex, a house and children

It is so bizarre that the majority of the poll are in agreement.

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Pinkshocks · Yesterday 02:34

Bobloblaw84 · Yesterday 00:56

Why would I want to get married?

Nobody said you had to?

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Pinkshocks · Yesterday 02:35

pinkboo · Yesterday 00:39

Im a woman and i have never been intrested in marriage.

Wonderful.

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Pinkshocks · Yesterday 02:39

Boreded · Yesterday 00:36

So do you just half commit? Or give them half of your sense of humour? Hold back some of the love?

What is it that women should be keeping from their men to make themselves even more appealing as wives?

Nobody is saying women should hold anything back or that men should be “earned”.

The point is that if a woman wants marriage but a man is already getting the relationship, sex, family life and everything else he wants without marrying, he has little reason to marry her.

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Meadowfinch · Yesterday 02:46

PinkEasterbunny · 28/07/2026 22:17

I never understand how some men view marriage as a bigger (and less attractive) commitment than children. A marriage can be ended, but children tie you to someone for life

Simple. Without a marriage certificate, a man can walk out one morning and not look back. Leave the dcs, the mortgage and just walk away. No recriminations, no nasty legal hassle sorting it out.
They can leave, knowing full well that the woman will look after the dcs, try to pay the mortgage, or at least deal with selling the house because she has no choice. He won't have to lift a finger.
He is also free to marry someone else.

However a marriage leads to a divorce and requires him to disclose his finances, possibly have half or more taken away from him by a court. There is a day of reckoning when a court tells him what will happen, and he has to accept their decision.

Boreded · Yesterday 04:40

Pinkshocks · Yesterday 02:39

Nobody is saying women should hold anything back or that men should be “earned”.

The point is that if a woman wants marriage but a man is already getting the relationship, sex, family life and everything else he wants without marrying, he has little reason to marry her.

So I’m still at a loss…not trying to be obtuse, I just genuinely don’t know what you are saying people should do to get a marriage.

you’ve said that they can’t get married because they are having sex with the man, that he is getting the relationship without marriage so why would he marry…but how can you marry without having a physical relationship, or without being a loving and supporting partner.

It doesn’t make sense. What shouldn’t we be giving without being married????

Melarus · Yesterday 04:56

If I'd said to my partner in the early days, "No sex till we're married!", he would have dumped me in a hot minute - and I can see why

Pinkshocks · Yesterday 05:07

Boreded · Yesterday 04:40

So I’m still at a loss…not trying to be obtuse, I just genuinely don’t know what you are saying people should do to get a marriage.

you’ve said that they can’t get married because they are having sex with the man, that he is getting the relationship without marriage so why would he marry…but how can you marry without having a physical relationship, or without being a loving and supporting partner.

It doesn’t make sense. What shouldn’t we be giving without being married????

You are missing the point. Nobody is saying women should withhold sex, love or support until they get a ring.

The point is that if marriage is important to you, do not spend years accepting “maybe one day” while giving someone the full benefits of a married life. If a man is perfectly happy with the relationship as it is, he has very little reason to change it.

It is not about what women should stop giving. It is about recognising when your relationship goals are different and not hoping someone will eventually become the person you want them to be.

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Pinkshocks · Yesterday 05:08

Melarus · Yesterday 04:56

If I'd said to my partner in the early days, "No sex till we're married!", he would have dumped me in a hot minute - and I can see why

He could have dumped you in an hot minute after sex too. Happens all the time.

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Melarus · Yesterday 05:50

Pinkshocks · Yesterday 05:08

He could have dumped you in an hot minute after sex too. Happens all the time.

Sure, but not for the same reasons!

PinkEasterbunny · Yesterday 06:52

LovelyCrocus · Yesterday 00:04

I have a dear friend who got married four years ago after two kids and being together 21 years.

They had a small registry ceremony in the UK followed by a large informal celebration abroad. This had a vows ceremony, speeches & a wedding breakfast. Their two daughters were bridesmaids.

The eldest (17) gave a speech saying she thought she was going to get married before her parents did. The bride gave a speech saying she’d waited 20 years for this day and thought it was never going to happen. The groom gave a speech saying he had thought about it for years but it had never seemed the right moment.

It was absolutely heartbreaking.

Here was a beautiful woman, both inside & out, who successfully ran her own business, raised two wonderful girls and yet had been kept dangling with the promise of a wedding that she really wanted but that she doubted very much would ever happen.

A year or so before the engagement she’d been thinking of leaving. Her partner’s business was facing difficulties, the liquidators were pursuing him for £manyK as they dissolved his company, he was talking about selling the house and moving to the countryside, even put it on the market for a while, because it was cheaper (she’s a committed city girl) and she felt unappreciated and unloved. She only held on because her youngest was 15 and she didn’t want to interrupt her schooling.

She told me she broke down, the last few years she’d started drinking too much and got a wake-up call looking at our photos of a girls weekend away. She hit the gym and started to make plans to leave. She felt better than ever and (her words) ‘knew she was worth more’. She worked her socks off building up her business in anticipation of going it alone, so successful she ended up taking on more staff. Then came the proposal.

We celebrated with her abroad. All singing, laughing, dancing, sightseeing and partying. Family & friends saying how lovely it is to see them finally married, never thought he would commit etc etc. Ha ha, how funny. Lovely joke.

But my heart breaks for her. She’s got the ring, the change of surname, the title of ‘wife’. Those speeches at the wedding did it for me. Her friends knew she wanted to marry, her daughters knew she wanted to marry, he knew she wanted to marry, his family knew she wanted to marry, but he kept her waiting 20 years.

He didn’t want to marry her until it looked like she was gaining self-confidence and getting ready to leave. She says it was because she was the problem - hitting the gym, taking up running & losing weight gave her confidence & she learnt to laugh again. But she was all those things for the first 15 years of their relationship & he still didn’t want to marry her.

Every year on her wedding anniversary she posts the same thing: a photo or video from the wedding and the caption ‘best day of my life’. Her social media profile is still of the two of them walking back down the aisle.

His isn’t.

Yes, there are women who don’t want to marry, some divorced, some happily unwed forever. This isn’t about them.

The OP specifically mentioned women who want to marry but whose partners don’t although they say they do. The women wait and wait but the wedding never happens.

My friend used to say ‘Oh, we don’t need to get married, it’s just a piece of paper’, but after a glass or two of wine she’d admit she did want to marry, very much, but it was her partner who was reluctant. Not now, not this week, not this month. But yes, sometime he would, but not now, the time wasn’t right. So she waited. Because at some point he’d realise he loved her enough to marry her, right?

That is so sad

QuintadosMalvados · Yesterday 07:06

Pinkshocks · 28/07/2026 18:41

So these men don’t love the women they are with even if they have DC with them?

Yes. If there was a contraception 'failure'.

They can stay with them out of a sense of duty to raise the children.

ETA: There's usually one child here, not plural.

MysteryMachineRidesAgain · Yesterday 07:09

Pinkshocks · 28/07/2026 19:30

So marriage proves love?

It proves a commitment. That the person wants a legal tie to another person and that they consider that person to be the most important person in their life. You can’t just walk away from a legal marriage, there are complications.

One of my friends who wasn’t married to her partner but had children with them and lived with him, died. Her parents were the ones making decisions for her in the hospital and ultimately were the ones who planned her funeral. Within the next year both of the unmarried couples in our friendship group who were very much ‘marriage is only a bit of paper’ got married.

SummerPeonies2026 · Yesterday 07:14

Get married, if you intend to have children. Cover your back legally. Don’t hope for the best, and give anyone all the benefits of family life without the commitment.

Most men will work in their best interests understandably. Keep their options open. If it suits them and benefits them - they will marry. If not, they will stall.

Women may prefer for their own reasons not marry, that’s valid too. You don’t have to be married, but if you have dc it’s the best protection of your future.

Sparklebutt321 · Yesterday 07:22

I have no interest in having a wedding at all and I'm a woman in my 30s with 2 kids. My OH has been getting the 'whole show for free' for nearly 10 years because we are both introverts and would hate that much attention and we don't have money to waste. Neither of us have substantial savings or property, we both have equal parental responsibility and neither of us will ever inherit anything from anyone.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 07:25

I think if a man loves a woman he will want her to have the protections of marriage as regards inheritance, being next of kin etc.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 07:26

Sparklebutt321 · Yesterday 07:22

I have no interest in having a wedding at all and I'm a woman in my 30s with 2 kids. My OH has been getting the 'whole show for free' for nearly 10 years because we are both introverts and would hate that much attention and we don't have money to waste. Neither of us have substantial savings or property, we both have equal parental responsibility and neither of us will ever inherit anything from anyone.

Getting married can be a very simple thing. A wedding is optional.

gannett · Yesterday 07:28

Pinkshocks · Yesterday 05:07

You are missing the point. Nobody is saying women should withhold sex, love or support until they get a ring.

The point is that if marriage is important to you, do not spend years accepting “maybe one day” while giving someone the full benefits of a married life. If a man is perfectly happy with the relationship as it is, he has very little reason to change it.

It is not about what women should stop giving. It is about recognising when your relationship goals are different and not hoping someone will eventually become the person you want them to be.

This is not the point you were originally making. Your OP is absolutely chock full of sexist cliches - women want marriage! men just want sex and status! It doesn't seem to occur to you that women might also enjoy the "full benefits" of married life without necessarily getting married. Plenty of women are extremely happy with unmarried relationships as they are, and see little reason to change that.

The point you've pivoted to is that both partners should be aligned on whether they want to get married, which is pretty obvious. Though I agree a lot of people stick their heads in the sand regarding compatibility.

MightyS · Yesterday 07:29

Poppystone · 28/07/2026 18:36

Yes, you're right. Marriage makes no sense for the person with the upper hand financially, unless you're gaining something else e.g. all the things you mention.

This really sums it up. I spent 20 years in a relationship and didn't realise the extent of exdp wealth.
He kept it well hidden.

We split up. He cleared the joint account. Never paid CMS. Never worked again.

Theres absolutely nothing I can do.

ladyofshallotlikesonions · Yesterday 07:30

MightyS · Yesterday 07:29

This really sums it up. I spent 20 years in a relationship and didn't realise the extent of exdp wealth.
He kept it well hidden.

We split up. He cleared the joint account. Never paid CMS. Never worked again.

Theres absolutely nothing I can do.

😮