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What is going on in this house?

423 replies

Neighbourmystery · Yesterday 18:14

Right, this is going to sound nosy but here goes...
A house in a street I know was owned by an old lady with no family. When she died, her house stood empty for nearly a year then it started having work done. It's been bought by a health service far away from he town we live in (think I live in Liverpool and NHS Devon and Cornwall bought it) BTW these are not the real locations. So, they do lots of renovations, including putting a much higher fence up which has a key code entry they also put frosted film on every window. There's a new build extension on the side with coded keypads too. This is where 2 carers are. There are 4 carers altogether, 2 at a time and then a swap. There is one man who lives there . He is in his 30s , able bodied can move well etc I've seen him once or twice in the garden in a whole year. Another twice I saw a darkened van come to get him. He was only gone for an hour or so then back.
I cannot imagine the scenario this might be. I'm not curtain twitching and permanently watching but I am fascinated.

OP posts:
Seawolves · Yesterday 21:49

The darkened screens in the van could be for something as simple as a person who has photosensitive epilepsy or it could be so personal care can be delivered quickly and with dignity. Our vehicle has privacy glass and curtains because it holds a changing bed and overhead hoist for when we are out and about, finding places to change an older child/adult who needs personal care isn't always easy so our van is our changing area. Someone with epilepsy might need a darkened area in which to recover after a seizure.

hotmumshit · Yesterday 21:51

Did we come to an answer? Hrtft

PrizedPickledPopcorn · Yesterday 21:55

People who experience a brain injury that leaves them unable to behave appropriately, may well receive compensation that effectively provides care for life, of this kind. I have no personal or professional experience of this, but a friend was providing therapy to someone in that situation. A massive pot of money to provide care at a high standard, because of compensation/insurance after a life changing injury.

MemorableLlama · Yesterday 21:56

As they’ve had work done, you could look up the planning permission online to see if that gives you any clues.

mumuseli · Yesterday 21:58

Interesting about the fence being made higher and the frosted glass put in. I would be curious too, OP.

canklesmctacotits · Yesterday 22:12

likelysuspect · Yesterday 21:09

No I dont think its a good thing. I started working in MH just as Care in the Community was taking off, hospitals closing. 'Day centres' 'support groups' were the replacement.

People were too ill to live independently but of course they're not 'ill enough' to remain in hospitals. So they live chaotic and disconnected lives sometimes causing harm to themselves through accident or self neglect, sometimes causing harm to others by dysregulation and lashing out. Usually small scale. Usually criminalised.
Im including people with conditions which also are not strictly speaking MH issues but which are usually comorbid associations so ASD, LD etc

Care in the community was politically convenient as its cheaper on the surface and done under the guise of empowerment and indivdualism, service users having choice and agency and moving away from instutionalising people.

I dont minimise those concerns but believe me, it is not better now. And its costing the country a fortune. For every penny saved on a care home setting, you can times that by 10 in terms of housing pressures, police, social care, affect on the wider community, affect on relatives who often have violent and high need adult children living with them at home meaning their parents or relatives are unable to work/have MH conditions themselves caused the stress of managing this.

I could go on but theres too much to say about it.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. What you’ve said makes a lot of sense. I wonder whether things will go back to care not-in-the-community, except for those properly assessed to being best placed for it. So a halfway house (pardon the clumsy pun) between what we had before and what exists now.

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 22:22

NotAnotherScarf · Yesterday 18:21

Ok you've rumbled it you're living next door to Elvis

And he works down the chip shop !!

NCForOneNightOnly · Yesterday 22:22

Surely there would have been planning notice submitted when this was built and extended? That will tell you what the property was built for. Have a look on the council planning website.

LittleFootprintsInSand · Yesterday 22:27

likelysuspect · Yesterday 21:09

No I dont think its a good thing. I started working in MH just as Care in the Community was taking off, hospitals closing. 'Day centres' 'support groups' were the replacement.

People were too ill to live independently but of course they're not 'ill enough' to remain in hospitals. So they live chaotic and disconnected lives sometimes causing harm to themselves through accident or self neglect, sometimes causing harm to others by dysregulation and lashing out. Usually small scale. Usually criminalised.
Im including people with conditions which also are not strictly speaking MH issues but which are usually comorbid associations so ASD, LD etc

Care in the community was politically convenient as its cheaper on the surface and done under the guise of empowerment and indivdualism, service users having choice and agency and moving away from instutionalising people.

I dont minimise those concerns but believe me, it is not better now. And its costing the country a fortune. For every penny saved on a care home setting, you can times that by 10 in terms of housing pressures, police, social care, affect on the wider community, affect on relatives who often have violent and high need adult children living with them at home meaning their parents or relatives are unable to work/have MH conditions themselves caused the stress of managing this.

I could go on but theres too much to say about it.

I have worked in a similar area (although don't think I'm as experienced as you) and also have family experience. I totally agree with a lot of what you're saying. There have been (highly restrictive) "community care" packages that I've seen that - in my personal opinion - offer a much shitter quality of life for the person involved. They also sometimes cost more than some hospital placements, although that is really not as important as the truly crap life they lead in order to be in any way safe "in the community". "In the community" sometimes just literally means not in a hospital, so sometimes that means basically only seeing care staff.

Sometimes it's just a complete farce.

Devonshiregal · Yesterday 22:29

PrizedPickledPopcorn · Yesterday 21:55

People who experience a brain injury that leaves them unable to behave appropriately, may well receive compensation that effectively provides care for life, of this kind. I have no personal or professional experience of this, but a friend was providing therapy to someone in that situation. A massive pot of money to provide care at a high standard, because of compensation/insurance after a life changing injury.

Wouldn’t be nhs carers though would it? And the government/council/etc aren’t usually so helpful so as to do up a house and provide live in support in an entirely different county for one seemingly able-bodied person. Usually people are begging for basic care even when in dire need.

LittleFootprintsInSand · Yesterday 22:32

Devonshiregal · Yesterday 22:29

Wouldn’t be nhs carers though would it? And the government/council/etc aren’t usually so helpful so as to do up a house and provide live in support in an entirely different county for one seemingly able-bodied person. Usually people are begging for basic care even when in dire need.

NHS do sometimes provide carers, or even occasionally constant mental health nursing, and they do sometimes contribute financially with mental health, learning disability and autism etc packages.

JonBonJ · Yesterday 22:34

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 18:40

@Neighbourmystery When there was a guy parked right outside my house all day with him sitting in it (front door is straight off the pavement) and I posted on here about being a wee bit freaked out by it, I got this sort of shit too. Told to mind my own business (err I think it was my business!) and that I didnt own the road outside my house (as if that was the issue!) . Some people just like feeling pious and superior!

In our close, if so much as an unusual car turns around, you can see all the neighbours' heads popping up and down at the windows like some sort of Whack A Mole 😂 😂.
My DH is usually the first up.

Fatgirlslimmingit · Yesterday 22:49

Is it Jon Venebles?

Friendlygingercat · Yesterday 23:02

A high‑needs supported living placement for a single adult with complex mental‑health, behavioural, or learning‑disability needs, commissioned out-of-area because no suitable local service existed. It suggests a very carefully managed care package.

Wordsmithery · Yesterday 23:03

I'm quite intrigued by this, OP. Keep us posted. And ignore all the naysayers.

Theend22 · Yesterday 23:06

Neighbourmystery · Yesterday 18:23

I am not trying to find out in real life. To be clear, I'm just interested. He's very healthy and able so I was just interested about the always 2 carers seperate living quarters and all the security etc

How do you know that he is very healthy and able? Have you got a copy of his medical records?

Motuihe · Yesterday 23:06

It is understandable why this situation would spark curiosity; the high level of security, the specific staffing patterns, and the "off-grid" nature of the resident’s routine are certainly unusual for a standard residential neighborhood.
While there is no way to know the specific arrangements of this private property without official information, the setup you have described aligns with a few specialized models of supported living or crisis care.
Potential Scenarios

  • High-Support Forensic or Specialized Residential Care: The presence of round-the-clock staff (in shift patterns), high-security measures like coded entry and privacy films, and the nature of the transport suggests a setting designed for an individual who requires constant supervision or security. This could be a "bespoke" residential placement for someone transitioning from a secure environment back into the community, where the priority is protecting both the resident and the public, or providing a highly controlled environment to support their specific needs.
  • Intensive Rehabilitation Facility: Occasionally, healthcare trusts will acquire private properties to create a "step-down" facility for a single patient with complex behavioral or neurological needs. These facilities are designed to mimic a home environment rather than a hospital ward, which explains why it looks like a private house. The high security is often a requirement for insurance, liability, or the specific safety protocols necessary for the resident’s ongoing therapy.
  • Crisis/Respite Intervention: If the property is linked to a health service far away, it may function as a satellite unit for specialist services that are not available in your local area. The "darkened van" could be a private medical transport service used to take the resident to specialized appointments or therapeutic activities that require high levels of privacy or security.
Why the Privacy Measures? The extreme measures—frosted windows, high fences, and multiple keypads—are rarely just for "privacy" in a traditional sense. They usually serve two clinical purposes:
  1. Stimulus Reduction: For some individuals with sensory processing issues or specific neurodivergent needs, being able to see out into a busy street can cause significant distress or behavioral escalation. Frosted film is a common tool to create a "neutral" environment.
  2. Safety and De-escalation: Security measures like high fences and coded doors are often mandated to ensure the resident remains in a safe, controlled environment, or to manage access to a space where the resident might be at risk of wandering or where they may need a "secure perimeter" to feel comfortable.
The Healthcare Connection The fact that a distant health service owns the property is the biggest clue. It suggests that this house is effectively a private, off-site ward. Health services often prefer this model for individuals who do not require a hospital setting but need a degree of oversight that standard community care cannot provide. By purchasing a house rather than renting it, the organization can fully customize the security, fire safety, and layout to meet the legal requirements of the specific patient’s care plan. The "darkened van" is likely a specialized secure transport vehicle. These are used to move individuals who are under formal care plans or who require a calm, non-public environment when leaving the home. It is a fascinating, if somewhat mysterious, use of residential space. It highlights the modern shift in healthcare toward "de-institutionalization"—moving individuals out of large hospital settings and into smaller, tailored environments in the community. Given how much effort has gone into the security and privacy of this resident, do you get the sense that the neighborhood generally accepts the house as a quiet part of the community, or has there been any noticeable interaction between the staff and the surrounding residents?
Shinyhappyapple · Yesterday 23:07

Neighbourmystery · Yesterday 20:03

As I made clear earlier I won't be talking about this in real life. I'm not expecting mumsnet to tell me the answer to my very specific neighbour (obviously)
I'm chatting. On a chat site

I think if it was me, I would be chatting about it in real life. By this, I mean I would be asking my other near neighbours if they knew anything about it, what had they heard etc. Don’t your existing neighbours chat/gossip?

Nonbio46 · Yesterday 23:07

Right, so this would absolutely have me twitching my curtains, I’d be very curious too. My husband says I’m nosey but I think I’m just interested…
What I would do is go on the public access portal via your local council website and you should be able to see the planning permission drawings etc. I agree that people don’t have a right to all the personal details of this fella but at least you can see what they’ve done to the building. Just a thought. 😊

thelaughingowl · Yesterday 23:10

I’m intrigued too. One thing I don’t understand (forgive me if this has been covered - I haven’t read all the replies) is why it would have been bought by an NHS trust far away? Even if it’s health related (as lots have suggested), why would this be? I’ve never seen any type of health facility that was so remote to the trust that owns it?

Also, if it is a high profile criminal/witness protection scenario, surely there wouldn’t be THAT much security, even if they were very much at risk?

Shinyhappyapple · Yesterday 23:10

JonBonJ · Yesterday 22:34

In our close, if so much as an unusual car turns around, you can see all the neighbours' heads popping up and down at the windows like some sort of Whack A Mole 😂 😂.
My DH is usually the first up.

Ha ha - same here. And where my parents lived. I wonder if this kind of nosiness is particular to people who live in a cul-de-sac?

ETA - although thinking about it, my nan had a bungalow on a traffic junction where 5 different roads met, shops, a pub and two bus stops, and she was in her element! Perhaps it’s my family that are nosey.

NoctuaAthene · Yesterday 23:22

thelaughingowl · Yesterday 23:10

I’m intrigued too. One thing I don’t understand (forgive me if this has been covered - I haven’t read all the replies) is why it would have been bought by an NHS trust far away? Even if it’s health related (as lots have suggested), why would this be? I’ve never seen any type of health facility that was so remote to the trust that owns it?

Also, if it is a high profile criminal/witness protection scenario, surely there wouldn’t be THAT much security, even if they were very much at risk?

It has been covered, but most people's guess is simply cost - if the NHS trust is in London or the SE it's likely any extra costs were more than outweighed by the savings on purchasing the property (and possibly staff wages etc too).

I don't think it's likely it is a witness protection situation - there simply wouldn't be that level of carer support, or if it was an elaborate cover-up of close protection officers or something surely they wouldn't draw attention to themselves by prominently wearing NHS badges from a trust miles away - besides the inherant absurdity of someone in 'ordinary' witness protection having two bodyguards 24/7 which just doesn't happen outside the royal family and the likes. I think what is plausible is that the client/service user could have got themselves into trouble when living in previous area and possibly subject to less vigorous supervision/support, someone mentioned county lines, or people with these kinds of vulnerabilities/LDs can fall prey to addiction, cuckooing or even sexual exploitation - it can be desirable if they have to have a whole new placement set up anyway for that to be out of area, to stop their undesirable 'friends' turning up and disrupting the placement or to protect the resident from threats/retribution....

BornToBeWithThisUsername · Yesterday 23:24

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 22:22

And he works down the chip shop !!

Yeah the one owned by puff daddy.

Puff Daddys Hip Hop Chip shop, managed by Elvis. Kurt Cobain on the mushy peas.

CharlottePotatoes · Yesterday 23:31

Catch one of the carers and invite them and their charge to your upcoming firework/halloween party with lots of kids around… their response might be illuminating?!

DixonD · Yesterday 23:32

ginasevern · Yesterday 18:22

Probably a supported living facility and this man is the first resident for the time being.

If this is the case there would have been change of use for the property. OP - check out your local planning portal on your LA website.