To be sick to death of Andy Burnham already

[Viviennemary]

I'm sick to death already of seeing Andy Burnham and hearing his voice. And he isnt even PM yet. Come back Keir Starmer. All is forgiven. I dont know how I'm going to suffer 3 or four more years of him in charge. Playing the part of the working class hero who is going to save the country. Give me strength.

In which case he’s not honouring the Labour manifesto and should seek a fresh mandate from the public.

My partner is an ex miner and probably one of the few who admired Thatcher. That's just an aside. If Burnham puts his money where his mouth is with rebuilding ex mining communities amongst others, I will eat my words. As it stands, many tax payers are worried what they are going to get stung for Burnham's short term vanity projects. He really is thinking on a massive overhaul scale without having being tested. Let's see what Monday brings.

We shall see where he finds the money from. Okay, three speeches. Not many really.
And no I didn’t post that I disagreed with Starmer and Ed about drilling. But I tend not to post about each and every view I have. I could do I suppose but MNHQ would probably say something to me if I tried to do so !

Because that’s what’s happened with every other mid term leader change we’ve had in the last 15 years.

I have a feeling there’s going to be a flush of new found Labour support for drilling, when previously it was the worst thing. Not saying you particularly perhaps you did oppose earlier policy.

On the media idk if it’s just them, he’s going to pump out his own social media as Starmer did.

You misunderstand. I'm saying that the poster I was responding to often posts about working class communities being ignored, and praises Farage for his claims to care about them.
Yet when Burnham speaks of these same communities with plans to support them with job opportunities, the same poster has a problem with it.
Whether one holds Thatcher responsible and the other doesn't is neither here nor there. The point is, both Burnham and Farage claim to want to support overlooked communities. I'm interested in why PP feels this is a good idea when Farage says it, but not when Burnham says it.

Yes and we in the Labour Party were vocal in our criticism. Yet here we are doing all the same things as the Tories did. Is it any wonder that so many members are completely disillusioned?

Gloriia
"What's he going to do quote a Midsummer Night's Dream at NATO meetings?"

Such a daft comment.

I don't recall specifically praising Farage for that reason. I praise him for, like Ann Widdecombe - God bless her soul - not being afraid to stick to unpopular ideology and defend that ideology in the face of strong hostility.

I hope sincerely that we will be able to have a future conversation where you do indeed eat your words, because if Burnham can pull it off our communities will be better for it. I don't have a crystal ball, and he's facing a very tough task, but I hope we can at least agree that we support his intent with regard to our communities.

Yes, on that I concur.

No perhaps; I did oppose it.
No maybe, possibly, or perhaps.

I also do not consider myself automatically some sort of new found labour supporter either.

Thanks for your down-to-earth honesty. I am tired of being lectured on the constitutional legality of the Burnham coronation. What is important to me is that Burnham spoke out clearly against it, with people that were known prominent, current ministers. He said they had no mandate.

My apologies if I've misremembered. I thought that you did say that Farage listened to the concerns of ordinary people in disadvantaged communities, that other parties ignored, hence his popularity.

It’s ok, it’s more a general comment. The site generally will be awash with new found drilling positivity.

Not me, unless I recall incorrectly??? No worries.

Burnham is a political chameleon who tries to be all things to all people. His Machiavellian manoeuvrings have won him power which is all that he craves. But there is absolutely no substance to it.

Let's hope it isn't that shallow ...😇

I am a conservative voter, hate socialism, hate labour and don’t agree with labour’s hypocrisy ie when they were all calling for a GE when the Conservative Party switched leaders/PM but we need stability. Keir Starmer was ghastly but should have been given the time to embed his manifest and election pledges. Burnham will face the same challenges and just lurch us further left which will give Reform their in at the next election. It’s a mess really and he still hasn’t addressed illegal immigration and the stress that is putting on the safety of the country and the infrastructure.

This!

He has got in by the back door and his backstabbing to get there tells us what an untrustworthy prat he is.

They didn't want him before, they now are using his alleged 'charm' to try and hang on at the the next election when wet Starmer wasn't up to the job.

He's taking a massive gamble with his proposals, that's for sure. He can't be all things to all people, so he needs to put a stop to that geographical nonsense. He's got to do what's right for Britain as a whole. Great Post BTW.

I agree. I find him an insufferably smug little poseur. Totally fake. And spare me the cheeky ‘loveable scouser’ act Andy, it’s even more tedious than the cheeky cockney act. As for being a working class hero, that’s hard to take from a flippin Cambridge graduate!!!

There’s nothing worse than someone from a vaguely working class background, who has been to a top university, enjoyed a high paying career, and yet still clings to their working class roots. The absolute worst is an intelligent, highly educated person who exaggerates their working class accent and acts in a rude, charmless, inarticulate way because they’re ‘keepin it real’. It REALLY holds this country back.

I'm interested to see what he's going to do with Reeves and Lammy, both being staunch Starmer loyalists.

It wasn’t okay to me. Nor did it feel as if was it a general comment.

The same members likely wanted that change of leader.

I’m not a party member. I’ve donated maybe twice, but casually.

But - that actually isn’t how I felt when the Tories were changing leaders like the wind. I was bothered about the instability, but consider the next election to be the opportunity to change the party in power, whichever leader is in at the time.

If Reform get in at the next election, which I hope they don’t, I will take that as the democratic loss that it is, and expect the opportunity to do something about that in the next planned election cycle - not within a year or two years of that loss.