To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

[Sausagenbacon]

www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

We wholesale applied EU legislation into UK law when we left the EU.

What's the basis for your assertion? Why do you think we would treat ECHR law differently to EU law?

Can you explain your position please?

Neither were all the Ukrainians we allowed in, what's the difference exactly?

The mother and her 3 kids were already in the UK. The court ruled that her 18 additional family members can come because the 3 kids are having"mental health issues" that their family members are trapped in Gaza.

What gives them any right to come here? I missed my mum a lot when we migrated here from India. Did that give my mum a right to come here as well?

Which is why we should not be voting reform...

Was your mum being bombed to bits in India and the images of the totsl devastation and starvation plus lack of sanitation and healthcare everywhere you looked? On a full country scale?

The democracy that more people vote against than for?

These 18 family members aren't even in danger. They've been in Egypt for at least 2 years. They are not in danger.

Absolutely! No one wants to get rid of it to give us more rights, it’s about unfettered capitalism and a race to the bottom. Definitely a case of be careful what you wish for.

The fact people still conflate the EHCR as being something the EU forced upon us says it all imo. Britain basically wrote it and Churchill was its biggest cheerleader. It can be amended sure and it has its faults, but binning it is madness.

People here keep saying we can make our own legislation, of course we can, but if you don’t think there is a massive financial cost to that you are dreaming. Total waste of money we don’t even have

Also I hate to say it but a lot of the local families that were put out around here by anti immigrant gangs were not asylum seekers or refugees they were working migrants. If you think it's OK to create a hierarchy of which migrants are OK and which are not you are creating a very wobbly framework that is detrimental to any migrant living or working in the UK. Every single one of them.

It is not the same. Was your mother being starved by a state hellbent on ethnic cleansing?

Love the fact that you got here and want to kick the ladder from beneath you. Are you called Suella or Priti at all?

Are you off your head?

No thank you.

Lord Haw Haw has spoken

Goodness. Do you need help understanding the concept of humanity, Nige?

Do you not understand that people fleeing genocide often become seperated? Which is highly, highly traumatic? Family reunification is important. If you became seperated from your child, the person you care for, your husband or the last family member you had alive would you not want to do everything possible to make sure they were safe with you? And if you were well set up in a place where you knew you could support yourself and get them properly established would you not choose that to be the place where everyone would come together?

It blows my mind how people hold other human beings to a standard they would never ever keep in reality if the roles were reversed.

It's dehumanising.

Saudi Arabia literally has hundreds of thousands of unoccupied hotel rooms and enormous temporary accomodations capacity for Mecca which is unused. What are they doing?

They speak the same language, share religion, diet and many cultural ties.

Oh they refuse to take them in despite having capacity to do so because they are worried about Terrorism, political unrest and militants from gaza causing problems in their country.

In the 1960s Gazan refugees in Jordan tried to start a civil war in Jordan and were forced to leave the country by Jordans Army - thousands died.

Gazan refugees in Lebanon caused a 15 year civil war and made the country ungovernable despite being hailed as the Paris of the Middle East in the 60s before hand.

Egypt and Jordan refuse to take Gazans for similar reasons.

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Can you point to where I've said I'm a democrat?

Calling someone stupid is freedom of opinion, doll. A democratic right. "You people" have completely f**ked my country for decades to come because of your willed ignorance, your refusal to learn and understand even basic facts, your misplaced "we're special" exceptionalism and, yes, your blinkered stupidity. "You people" are too craven to admit you didn't know what you were doing in 2016 and as a consequence have screwed yourselves and everyone else - while simultaneously endlessly whining that there's no money, and the NHS doesn't work and why do I have to pay more tax and it's not fair.

Had you listened to the "liberal elite", the country would be £300bn (and counting) richer. Thousands of jobs would still exist. Thousands of British companies would still be operating. That money would be going into services and infrastructure to improve your life. That money would be used to keep your taxes low. But you didn't listen. And you "got" the sovereignty you always had. And as a result you and everyone you know is poorer and the infrastructure you rely on is creaking at the seams . And still you whine about a situation you wanted to happen.

And now "you people" are stamping your little feet and whining about the ECHR. You haven't bothered to learn the facts, you're not listening to informed opinion, you don't know what you're doing.The definition of madness is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome. The definition of stupidity is the section of the English public that repeatedly calls for actions that will make their lives worse, and their country a laughing stock - and then complains when what they called for comes to pass and their lives become worse.

So, exercising my democratic rights, I'm free to call "you people" what I think you are. You're stupid. Grow up and deal with it. And for f's sake, stop whining.

So we had no human rights, employment rights etc before ECHR? Give me a break! We had pretty good laws to protect people in UK, in fact we lead on most law when we joined the EU on health and safety, the environment, trade, finance too. The EU has continued to copy what we do here since we left too.

I think we should exit ECHR too @Sausagenbacon YANBU at all.

Was your mum at risk of death? That would help answer your question.

Reform are keen to undercut these, for example removing protections against 0 hours contracts .

Okay and? Given they are both in safety, they could just go reunite in Egypt? A country that is more culturally compatible to them anyway.

Even if "oh Egypt won't give them permission to stay" (I wonder why) they can talk on the phone.

I thought immigrants coming here for work need to be self sufficient and have funds. The 18 that are coming over will have taxpayer funded housing, benefits for living costs, free NHS, free schooling and English as an additional language funding.

Her family are actually safe in Egypt and have been for a few years.

Given the geopolitical division of these nations was driven by British imperialism it is very much our problem

May you never live through what that family has lived through. And if you ever do, God forbid, I hope people treat you with a bit more compassion than what you're showing. What would you do if you were in their shoes and you were here having made a life for yourself and your family were there unable to do the same begging you for help?

You also haven't addressed the serious issues around the hierarchy of immigration your position creates and the fragility that creates for all migrants including yourself?