To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

Why didn’t you stay with her in India then, if she wasn’t in any danger? Genuine question

How come all the other signatories aren’t allowing unfettered immigration if its all about the ECHR?

The responsibility of the UK government is to UK citizens.

As I mentioned before about India, their own supreme court said "India is not a dharamshala to host refugees from all over the world".

Thank you for admitting that you do not support democracy and do support the enlightened despotism of the “liberal elite” to save the British people from themselves.

I actually voted “Remain” and believe Brexit was a major error…but by failing to grasp nuance and separating the world into the “virtuous” liberals like you, and “deplorable” idiots like everyone who disagrees, you display the contempt which is leading to the collapse of the liberal world order you wish to preserve.

Should Reform win the next General Election (I don’t plan on voting for them), it’s the condescending arrogance of those like you on the “left” that will have turbo-charged that victory.

Fuck me, for God’s sake - there is a difference between an ‘illegal’ and an asylum seeker. Not having a passport doesn’t make you ‘illegal’. Entering the UK without a visa is not illegal. If they are claiming asylum. People saying leave the ECHR are actually saying ‘do not recognise or accept asylum seekers’.

1. to claim asylum you have to be on the soil of the country you wish to seek asylum
2. Brexit ended our membership of ‘first safe country’ which effectively took away our ability to push back asylum seekers as well as anyone trying to enter the country illegally
3. if you think places like Gaza, Ethiopia, Syria etc have UK Consulates to apply for a UK visa, think again
4. if you think it is standard in every country for most adults to have a passport, think again. Fuck, a vast amount of Americans don’t have a passport/have never left the US.

Surely you know this? These aren’t complex facts, they’re basic information about entering other countries. I refuse to believe that people are that ignorant, and I therefore can only assume it is their xenophobia enabling them to forget the facts.

DH got a job. I followed.

But it stops governments who aren't prepared to leave the ECHR entirely from picking and choosing which of its particular rights they will uphold.

It essentially forces an all or nothing and most of the electorate would not support withdrawal.

Not a bigot, certainly not a racist. Right wing? Yes and I won't be letting you shame me. I'm an adult with agency. If you want to start bleating about quoting you, be consistent. You've mentioned me on an unrelated thread after your post here.

Entering the UK without a visa is a criminal offence under UK domestic law, even for individuals who intend to claim asylum.

For goodness sake do you not see the harm you are doing?

Harm to whom? - I don't care for your accusations, including talk of violation for posting with you on a lighthearted football thread. I've seen how you like to accuse others have having the last word. I am more than happy to give it to you.

We also have to ask and answer the question of whether removing the ECHR will be the magic bullet some think it is in controlling said borders because I'm personally not 100% convinced

SuffolkSun really hates the English.

This escalating hate is why I'm leaving. It's disturbing. There are millions here from all over the world and seething hatred for the English is rife. It's scary.

I think also leaving the refugee convention is needed as well. It's the implementation of that that's also causing issues. It was made for a different time.

Look how these countries changed though. They went from prosperous to failed in a matter of decades because they were destabilised.

In this context, simply as adult citizens of the UK who can vote in elections.

Excellent point.

If we did open our doors to all Gazans, then logically we’d have to do the same to every other person facing war or strife, we would be deluged with millions of people, society would break down, and we’d quickly become the war zone that people would be fleeing from!

I’m not a fan of Reform, but the naivety and suicidal empathy of the “Left” in wanting open borders is far more scary. That really would destroy the country.

And what is this nonsense that we would lose all our human rights if we left the ECHR… Legislation that protects are human rights would still exist!

Do you think the likes of Canada, Australia and NZ are akin to North Korea simply because they’re not in the ECHR?

Reaching for such hyperbole in arguing in favour of the ECHR just makes you look ridiculous, and gives ammunition to those who are arguing against it.

It’s a bit like arguing against the death penalty with the argument that we shouldn’t reintroduce it, because then the Government could just kill anyone they liked.

How is the ‘first safe country’ misinformation still going? Do you think other EU countries send everyone back to the first country and all asylum seekers are in Italy, Greece and Spain?

What is your preferred outcome in terms of how many Gazans we take?

I appreciate and value the protection ECHR gives us, on the other hand I do think it’s outdated and naive in some respect in today’s world.

How can one person be allowed to bring in a family of 18?

Naive to protect the Good Friday Agreement?

Some aspects of it?

Read before you comment maybe?