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To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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Sausagenbacon · 16/07/2026 20:05

www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

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BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:13

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 09:10

It’s far easier to do checks with a work visa and employment than it is for asylum claims.

Is it, though? Have you any idea how easy for an employer to write a work visa application? How few checks are done?

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:13

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:07

Not if they are at risk, and qualify for refugee status here, no I don’t. Which one of your vulnerable family members would you be prepared to sacrifice in that situation?

They are out of danger in Egypt

Bringemout · 17/07/2026 09:14

Yup leave, for people saying “oh we will lose our rights” you aren’t obliged to vote for anyone who would do that.

On the specific family, the problem is it sets a precedent for anyone in Gaza to apply for asylum. Why not every Yemeni, Sudanese, Uyghur, Iranian, there is nothing special about what happening in Gaza (sorry it’s a war not a genocide the ICJ still haven’t been able to out a case together despite the fact that it seems to be the most reported on war on the world atm) , there are millions of people living with war.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:14

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:13

They are out of danger in Egypt

Answer the question.

Which one.

Your mum, brother, nephew, sister?

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 09:14

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 08:48

Do the Indian rapists tend not to come over?

Its crazy how the Left is so selective in what they call “racist”.

If anyone made a similar comment about Pakistani rapists then they’d be crying “racist” faster than you could say “immigration”!

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 09:18

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 09:14

Its crazy how the Left is so selective in what they call “racist”.

If anyone made a similar comment about Pakistani rapists then they’d be crying “racist” faster than you could say “immigration”!

You have no idea about my political background. And it’s obviously in response to people saying what great immigrants Indians make compared to other immigrants. Gross.

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 09:19

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:14

Answer the question.

Which one.

Your mum, brother, nephew, sister?

Even if the right to a “family life” is accepted, the idea that this extends to adult siblings, nieces and nephews is preposterous.

Supposedly I must have an inadequate family life because my parents and sister live 200 miles away from me!

I can understand parents and children (if a mother has been granted refugee status then so should her non-adult children), but extending it beyond that is taking the piss.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 09:19

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:12

Yes, that is true.

I employ migrants so I’m quite well versed with an OSPC.

I guess I’m just staggered that we’ve arrived at suggesting we refuse Palestinians having… seen the news, for the last however long. They’re hardly making up their need for asylum.

I think people are rounding on a poster for using a work visa route when it’s not similar

@MaturingCheeseball question below seems more relevant

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 09:21

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:08

They go to India and cherry pick immigrants? I don’t think they do, in all honesty.

I hope with all hope that you have contributed to net taxation, not your husband, you.

Otherwise this might be one of the most hypocritical things I’ve ever read.

Yep. So irritating to see a sahm bleating about this stuff when they spent 18y plus contributing not a penny of tax to the country themselves.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:21

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:10

Ahh - the “deserving” immigrant.

These people will have the government’s permission, do you have any confirmation they will be a “drain”? You seem to have an awful lot of detail about this case and yet haven’t provided the judge’s ruling.

You’d be happy with a very right wing U.K. government who can change the rules on immigration to get rid of all immigrants?

The home office actually wanted to say no and then a judge reversed it. The 18 can't speak English and will need taxpayer funding to live here. Can't they just stay in Egypt?

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:21

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 09:19

I think people are rounding on a poster for using a work visa route when it’s not similar

@MaturingCheeseball question below seems more relevant

Personally, I’m rounding on her because actually her husband came for work.

Unless she personally has contributed to the economy, she’s also an economic migrant, and I don’t want to hear it.

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 09:22

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 09:18

You have no idea about my political background. And it’s obviously in response to people saying what great immigrants Indians make compared to other immigrants. Gross.

I think I’d put very good money on you being left of centre…

inkognitha · 17/07/2026 09:22

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 07:52

So you came here as a jobless immigrant and now you want to stop other people coming into the country. The worst kind of hypocrite. I am embarrassed for you. Why don’t you go back to India? And embrace the fabulous human rights there?

My parents came here as immigrants from SE Asia in the 60s, as the British government was recruiting and paid them to come and work here in the NHS. They would never say that other people shouldn’t now come.

It’s not hypocritical.

You claim you want to welcome foreigners in the UK and that they should be treated equally. Then, they must have the same rights to freedom of thought and expression. Even if you dislike their opinion. You’re the one who is hypocritical by not following your own principles.

I am a migrant, I am very happy to have been able to move here legally on a personal level, but there is too much immigration for the good of this country.

I moved here to live in Great Britain, for the British culture and history you probably self-hate, not to live in a collection of foreign communities and ghettos, not to replicate my own culture, not to live in a country that sidelines its own traditions, norms and citizens. And I have the legal right to express my opinion, whatever my personal situation is.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:22

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 09:19

Even if the right to a “family life” is accepted, the idea that this extends to adult siblings, nieces and nephews is preposterous.

Supposedly I must have an inadequate family life because my parents and sister live 200 miles away from me!

I can understand parents and children (if a mother has been granted refugee status then so should her non-adult children), but extending it beyond that is taking the piss.

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There is no way I’d leave my nephews in Gaza.

I’m quite happy to leave them in Teesside while I live 150miles away in Cheshire.

But Teesside isn’t war torn.

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:23

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:13

They are out of danger in Egypt

Again, seems you have an awful lot of unpublished detail about this case. What’s your source?

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:23

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 09:21

Yep. So irritating to see a sahm bleating about this stuff when they spent 18y plus contributing not a penny of tax to the country themselves.

Not taking in any benefits, raising my bright intelligent kids. Teaching them some maths. They all thrive now.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:24

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:23

Again, seems you have an awful lot of unpublished detail about this case. What’s your source?

I researched the case online

Soontobe60 · 17/07/2026 09:24

What I don’t understand is why the family were refused entry in the first instance. If one person living in a war zone has been allowed entry, why not the others?

Secretseverywhere · 17/07/2026 09:25

Switcher · 17/07/2026 08:45

That is the condition millions and millions of people live in all over the world. I too would love to help the whole world, but it is not possible.

I’d agree with you. There is currently more war and conflict (globally speaking) than there has been since end of ww2. There are over 40 million refugees and over 120 million people displaced due to conflict.

Refugee numbers are rising, they’ve doubled over last 12 years. I don’t think this is a crisis thst can be solved by just shifting effected people from one place to another. Especially when you have other state actors who are fuelling / funding conflict.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:25

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:21

Personally, I’m rounding on her because actually her husband came for work.

Unless she personally has contributed to the economy, she’s also an economic migrant, and I don’t want to hear it.

I do work now. Why does it bother you?

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 09:26

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:21

Personally, I’m rounding on her because actually her husband came for work.

Unless she personally has contributed to the economy, she’s also an economic migrant, and I don’t want to hear it.

If you don’t want to hear it move on from focusing on work visas which are different to asylum claims.

If you feel strongly that Gazans should be here with their families how many should arrive do you think?

Switcher · 17/07/2026 09:26

pleuo · 16/07/2026 21:51

It's because they're European. It's not racist to think that Europeans are more similar to us than Gazans. Have you ever been to the middle east? Do you think all cultures are exactly the same?

I think is also not true that it's about being white. Indians embrace British culture as well as their own, they are hard working and want to make friends. I enjoy being invited to Diwali evenings and holi and all that stuff, they come over for Xmas. I think the Muslim brotherhood is a pernicious ideology that has poisoned interfaith and intercultural dialogue to result in many Muslims wanting to live completely separately in the UK, and that is not a fun future.

SuffolkSun · 17/07/2026 09:26

AutumnHazel · 16/07/2026 23:51

Thank you for admitting that you do not support democracy and do support the enlightened despotism of the “liberal elite” to save the British people from themselves.

I actually voted “Remain” and believe Brexit was a major error…but by failing to grasp nuance and separating the world into the “virtuous” liberals like you, and “deplorable” idiots like everyone who disagrees, you display the contempt which is leading to the collapse of the liberal world order you wish to preserve.

Should Reform win the next General Election (I don’t plan on voting for them), it’s the condescending arrogance of those like you on the “left” that will have turbo-charged that victory.

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Making up what a complete stranger "thinks" and then arguing against it just makes one look rather...silly.

Brexit voters effectively said: "I've heard people explain that leaving the EU will be disastrously economically, will hurt me and mine and will undermine the country I claim to love. But fk it, I'm going to ignore that to vote Brexit". What nuance is there in that? What other way is there to describe their vote other than "stupid"?

And before you bang on about "people felt no one was listening to them" - I know plenty of '"workers", the kind who left school at 16 and do manual jobs. None of them voted Brexit - because they bothered to understand the issue, and what it meant. The Brexit vote wasn't swung by the working class. It was swung by comfortably retired, golf club bores harking back to the long-gone world of their youth, many of whom are now dead. And no Brexit voter, ever, has been able to explain why the narrow result of a non-binding referendum should continue to negatively impact the lives of people who were too young to vote in it, the large majority of whom want Britain to be in the UK. Can you explain that?

Should Reform win the next General Election (I don’t plan on voting for them), it’s the condescending arrogance of those like you on the “left” that will have turbo-charged that victory. Aside from the fact that you've invented the fact that I'm on "the left" and are arguing against it...Why does that sound familiar? Oh, yes: "If you hadn't upset me, I wouldn't have had to hit you. It's your fault". The whine of the weak who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. If you're old enough to vote, you're not a child. If you're not a child, you don't get - and shouldn't expect - to be treated like one. "There there, you did a stupid thing, but it's not your fault because someone used hurty words, have a biscuit".

I have nothing but contempt for people who voted to harm their country. The contempt is multiplied when they refuse to take responsibilty for what they've done. Would I employ someone who stamps their feet and acts like a child when they mess up at work? No. And as we have freedom of expression, and opinion, I'm free to point out that their vote was stupid, based on a willed ignorance/ignoring of the issue. The right wing - which includes many Brexit voters - is, apparently, very big on free speech and telling it like it is and not being a snowflake. How very ironic that the biggest snowflakes in the room tend to be Brexit voters.

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:26

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:21

The home office actually wanted to say no and then a judge reversed it. The 18 can't speak English and will need taxpayer funding to live here. Can't they just stay in Egypt?

Couldn’t you just have stayed in India?

The government follows the law, therefore they have permission.

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 09:26

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:23

Not taking in any benefits, raising my bright intelligent kids. Teaching them some maths. They all thrive now.

Taking all the benefits of being in this country, public services etc. Great your kids are bright: irrelevant though.