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To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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Sausagenbacon · 16/07/2026 20:05

www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

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Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 08:35

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 08:33

The difference is that, based on her comments, @Daafdjdnd believes that the UK Government should have the right to determine who comes to live here. They allowed her, but equally should have had the right not to allow her had they chosen.

That's exactly what I mean

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 08:36

Lavender14 · 17/07/2026 08:23

Because again it protects us from war... and at the moment anyway Northern Ireland is part of the UK so affected by policies and decisions made by the UK.

"We never took a penny of welfare."

Are you saying your children were privately educated and have never seen an NHS dentist, optician, gp, health visitor? Visited a public library?

Being a beneficiary of Government services does not mean you are on welfare…. Otherwise EVERYONE would be on welfare, including the King!

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 08:39

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 08:36

Being a beneficiary of Government services does not mean you are on welfare…. Otherwise EVERYONE would be on welfare, including the King!

He's always earnt well and paid more than enough in taxes

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 08:42

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 08:17

I think they make a good attempt to assimilate. They tend to work hard, study well and be in high earning professions.

But I'd totally understand if people wanted the numbers reduced.

Now you are safely here of course!

RufustheFactualReindeer · 17/07/2026 08:43

Daafdjdnd · 16/07/2026 20:42

If the people didn't want that they wouldn't elect a government that would do that . especially if doing so would ruin their election chances and is not the will of the people

They absolutely would, people don’t think it will affect them

and some people are quite happy to vote for stuff like that knowing it won’t affect them and either not caring or not thinking it will affect someone they know/love

CovenOfCheeses · 17/07/2026 08:43

SuffolkSun · 16/07/2026 23:28

Can you point to where I've said I'm a democrat?

Calling someone stupid is freedom of opinion, doll. A democratic right. "You people" have completely f**ked my country for decades to come because of your willed ignorance, your refusal to learn and understand even basic facts, your misplaced "we're special" exceptionalism and, yes, your blinkered stupidity. "You people" are too craven to admit you didn't know what you were doing in 2016 and as a consequence have screwed yourselves and everyone else - while simultaneously endlessly whining that there's no money, and the NHS doesn't work and why do I have to pay more tax and it's not fair.

Had you listened to the "liberal elite", the country would be £300bn (and counting) richer. Thousands of jobs would still exist. Thousands of British companies would still be operating. That money would be going into services and infrastructure to improve your life. That money would be used to keep your taxes low. But you didn't listen. And you "got" the sovereignty you always had. And as a result you and everyone you know is poorer and the infrastructure you rely on is creaking at the seams . And still you whine about a situation you wanted to happen.

And now "you people" are stamping your little feet and whining about the ECHR. You haven't bothered to learn the facts, you're not listening to informed opinion, you don't know what you're doing.The definition of madness is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome. The definition of stupidity is the section of the English public that repeatedly calls for actions that will make their lives worse, and their country a laughing stock - and then complains when what they called for comes to pass and their lives become worse.

So, exercising my democratic rights, I'm free to call "you people" what I think you are. You're stupid. Grow up and deal with it. And for f's sake, stop whining.

😀

randomchap · 17/07/2026 08:44

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 08:35

And reform can just come in and leave the echr.. nothing stopping them

Which is one of the many good reasons to keep them out.

They've already damaged this country enough. Look at how poorly their councils are doing.

Farage is just the face of disaster capitalism. If they get in then the damage they will do will take generations to fix

Switcher · 17/07/2026 08:45

Bridgertonisbest · 16/07/2026 20:31

How is it ridiculous, Gaza is a war zone!

good, I’m glad we were able to offer a safe haven for people that are living in fear and having their rights eroded daily.

That is the condition millions and millions of people live in all over the world. I too would love to help the whole world, but it is not possible.

Sausagenbacon · 17/07/2026 08:45

I feel surprised that posters don't recognise that the more we have of this , the more likely a Reform victory at a GE will be.
Plus 17 people. 17! How can that not be seen as ridiculous?
And, if Palestinian refugees are ok, how come Egypt has built a wall so they don't get any?

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NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 08:48

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 08:25

I wanted to say this as well. But was worried I'd get flamed

Do the Indian rapists tend not to come over?

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 08:59

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 00:02

DH got a job. I followed.

So you agree, following your family to where they are is a good thing?

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:00

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 08:42

Now you are safely here of course!

Those 18 family members are perfectly safe in Egypt.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:04

NotBreezy · 17/07/2026 08:48

Do the Indian rapists tend not to come over?

As far as I know they don't.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 09:04

MaturingCheeseball · 17/07/2026 08:30

So, those in favour of the ruling, please answer whether you think this country is now duty bound to accept all family reunification of any number of people who have immigrated here.

It was noted that the 18 family members in this case did not speak English, could not be accommodated by their sponsor, and included elderly people. So that’s at least four houses needed, plus interpreters, benefits (including pension credit), schooling and healthcare.

Rather than the focus on the pp and their arrival are there any answers on this

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 09:04

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 08:59

So you agree, following your family to where they are is a good thing?

A partner and child/children yes.

18 people? You don’t think that’s a bit much?

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:05

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 08:35

And reform can just come in and leave the echr.. nothing stopping them

Did you hear Richard Tice on LBC refusing to confirm Reform wouldn’t deport British Citizens? Every single immigrant is at risk, even those who have come here legally. You ok with that?

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:05

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:04

As far as I know they don't.

Oh, very polite of them to just stay put.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:05

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 08:59

So you agree, following your family to where they are is a good thing?

With the gov's permission and not being a drain to the taxpayer and resources.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:06

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:05

Oh, very polite of them to just stay put.

Or maybe the UK gov chooses and selects the highly skilled, well behaved men without criminal records to come over?

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:07

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 09:04

A partner and child/children yes.

18 people? You don’t think that’s a bit much?

Not if they are at risk, and qualify for refugee status here, no I don’t. Which one of your vulnerable family members would you be prepared to sacrifice in that situation?

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 09:07

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:05

Oh, very polite of them to just stay put.

Most people from India will be using a work visa which is easier to check in terms of employability and lack of crime.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:08

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:06

Or maybe the UK gov chooses and selects the highly skilled, well behaved men without criminal records to come over?

They go to India and cherry pick immigrants? I don’t think they do, in all honesty.

I hope with all hope that you have contributed to net taxation, not your husband, you.

Otherwise this might be one of the most hypocritical things I’ve ever read.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 09:10

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:08

They go to India and cherry pick immigrants? I don’t think they do, in all honesty.

I hope with all hope that you have contributed to net taxation, not your husband, you.

Otherwise this might be one of the most hypocritical things I’ve ever read.

It’s far easier to do checks with a work visa and employment than it is for asylum claims.

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 09:10

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:05

With the gov's permission and not being a drain to the taxpayer and resources.

Ahh - the “deserving” immigrant.

These people will have the government’s permission, do you have any confirmation they will be a “drain”? You seem to have an awful lot of detail about this case and yet haven’t provided the judge’s ruling.

You’d be happy with a very right wing U.K. government who can change the rules on immigration to get rid of all immigrants?

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:12

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 09:10

It’s far easier to do checks with a work visa and employment than it is for asylum claims.

Yes, that is true.

I employ migrants so I’m quite well versed with an OSPC.

I guess I’m just staggered that we’ve arrived at suggesting we refuse Palestinians having… seen the news, for the last however long. They’re hardly making up their need for asylum.

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