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Aibu thinking Scots shouldn't be wanting Argentina to win against England?

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Engerlund · 13/07/2026 18:49

It's getting beyond banter now imo.

I know plenty of Scots agree with me.

I'm half Scottish (dad) so always support both. In the past I'd probably want Scotland to win if it was them against England to be honest. Although now because of the Argentina support I'm going off supporting Scotland.

I desperately want England to win this one more than against any other team.

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Persephonia1966 · Today 16:14

Freinddilemma · Today 16:02

The day Scotland can lecture us on diversity is the day they have anything even remotely resembling Bradford. Or Birmingham. Or Slough. Or Manchester. Or the entirety of London. Or....you get the picture.

Its easy as fuck to consider yourselves non racist when you have under 200 people per square mile. We in England have over a thousand. You sit there in splendid isolation preaching tolerance. We actually live it in our day to day experience, navigating patchworks of communities with conflicting priorities and interests not just in our cities but in our market towns.

Call us when you actually find yourselves competing for resources. I predict this will be around 2050, in light of rising temperature levels and population growth.

Except, the people living in the most diverse areas are also the people who are the most accepting, on the whole, of immigration and least fearful of other groups. Not that there aren't issues as with everywhere. But the people living in ethnically mixed cities have less of a problem with racial diversity than people who don't.

Britain as a whole actually has integration figures most countries would kill for and different ethnic groups have become steadily more integrated with each other over time.

This is like when people who don't live in London try to claim London is a crime ridden hell hole. And then argue with the people who actually live in London and like it that they must be wrong.

Differentforgirls · Today 16:17

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:14

Except, the people living in the most diverse areas are also the people who are the most accepting, on the whole, of immigration and least fearful of other groups. Not that there aren't issues as with everywhere. But the people living in ethnically mixed cities have less of a problem with racial diversity than people who don't.

Britain as a whole actually has integration figures most countries would kill for and different ethnic groups have become steadily more integrated with each other over time.

This is like when people who don't live in London try to claim London is a crime ridden hell hole. And then argue with the people who actually live in London and like it that they must be wrong.

Pretty much like you’ve done throughout the thread.

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:17

(not saying that the Scottish posters on here have issues with it or that they are racist because they don't live in a diverse area. Just countering the idea that there's some downtrodden underclass of people in ethnically diverse areas who hate it and are being unfairly lectured.)

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:22

Differentforgirls · Today 16:17

Pretty much like you’ve done throughout the thread.

When I criticised Argentina for being racist? I wasn't criticising Argentinia. I was criticising the players who said the racist things for being racist.
Or when I implied that the financial scandal around Sturgeon might mean she isn't a 100% honest person?
Or when I criticised Nigel Farage for the same thing?

For clarification. I don't think everyone in the Scottish independence movement is dodgy, or every Argentinian is racist, or every member of Reform is out for money. Just the people that are dodgy are dodgy, the people that are racist are racist, and the people receiving craptocoin are motivated by money. Which bit of that is a problem?

Differentforgirls · Today 16:27

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:22

When I criticised Argentina for being racist? I wasn't criticising Argentinia. I was criticising the players who said the racist things for being racist.
Or when I implied that the financial scandal around Sturgeon might mean she isn't a 100% honest person?
Or when I criticised Nigel Farage for the same thing?

For clarification. I don't think everyone in the Scottish independence movement is dodgy, or every Argentinian is racist, or every member of Reform is out for money. Just the people that are dodgy are dodgy, the people that are racist are racist, and the people receiving craptocoin are motivated by money. Which bit of that is a problem?

You’ve dodged everything people have posted to you!

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:32

Differentforgirls · Today 16:27

You’ve dodged everything people have posted to you!

I think we will just have to agree to disagree on the content of Sturgeon's character. My view is either she knew something of what her husband was doing, or was much less alert thanshe should have been. You clearly like her no matter what. Neither of us will persuade the other differently and since we can't see her soul we will never know for certain. I hope one day she moves back to Scotland as you earlier wished.

Differentforgirls · Today 16:38

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:32

I think we will just have to agree to disagree on the content of Sturgeon's character. My view is either she knew something of what her husband was doing, or was much less alert thanshe should have been. You clearly like her no matter what. Neither of us will persuade the other differently and since we can't see her soul we will never know for certain. I hope one day she moves back to Scotland as you earlier wished.

Drivel.

Firetreev · Today 16:48

XDownwiththissortofthingX · Today 16:02

There are a very small, very organised number of people concertedly spreading
Far-Right hate across the central belt in Scotland right now. It's only just starting to hit the news, but it's been going on for a couple of years at least, and the concerning thing about it is that these people struggle to tie their own shoelaces, so anything they organise tends to quickly fall apart due to infighting and recriminations, but this is not.

It stinks to high-heaven of something being actively funded by people or groups who are actually far more sinister than the morons fronting it, and it's a little bit concerning to say the least.

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It's being funded by Russia and Musk. Musk literally sent Tommy Robinson to Moscow with his father. The sooner we start calling out these far right activists for the traitors that they are the better. These supporters of Musk, Robinson and Low are literally doing the Kremlin's bidding for them, but are far too stupid to realise what they're doing. They're not patriots, they're racist scoundrels and as with most racists pretty thick too.

Firetreev · Today 16:49

Firetreev · Today 16:48

It's being funded by Russia and Musk. Musk literally sent Tommy Robinson to Moscow with his father. The sooner we start calling out these far right activists for the traitors that they are the better. These supporters of Musk, Robinson and Low are literally doing the Kremlin's bidding for them, but are far too stupid to realise what they're doing. They're not patriots, they're racist scoundrels and as with most racists pretty thick too.

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I think a lot of them will actually be being actively watched by the security agencies.

Persephonia1966 · Today 17:17

Firetreev · Today 16:49

I think a lot of them will actually be being actively watched by the security agencies.

Surely Lowe himself can't be liked by anyone in Scotland? He's made a lot of comments that make it quite clear Restore don't really care about Scotland** and I would have thought the comments about Dunblane would be the nail in the coffin. If I'm wrong in that judgement let me know!
But there doesn't need to be a figurehead to spread racism and division. Just a massive spamming of social media with socially divisive guff and spicy videos. Plus of course Musk owns Twitter.

**They don't care about England either but it's less blatant

Firetreev · Today 17:20

Persephonia1966 · Today 17:17

Surely Lowe himself can't be liked by anyone in Scotland? He's made a lot of comments that make it quite clear Restore don't really care about Scotland** and I would have thought the comments about Dunblane would be the nail in the coffin. If I'm wrong in that judgement let me know!
But there doesn't need to be a figurehead to spread racism and division. Just a massive spamming of social media with socially divisive guff and spicy videos. Plus of course Musk owns Twitter.

**They don't care about England either but it's less blatant

I think the far right cretins in Scotland will probably quite like Lowe irregardless. Some of the worst of the far right in Scotland are unionists.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · Today 17:23

Firetreev · Today 16:49

I think a lot of them will actually be being actively watched by the security agencies.

They are.

One of the ringleaders of the hotel-shouting cohort was recently stopped upon his return to Edinburgh airport and quizzed for hours.

This is the concerning part. It's all useful idiots who appear to be "typical members of the local community" fronting it (typical if you look past the string of convictions most of them have, the restraining orders etc), but the organisation and consistency is far and away above anything "facebook" activists can usually maintain.

Persephonia1966 · Today 17:25

Firetreev · Today 17:20

I think the far right cretins in Scotland will probably quite like Lowe irregardless. Some of the worst of the far right in Scotland are unionists.

I can well believe that there are plenty of far right unionists!
But it's more that he has the same level of disregard Farage has for Northern Ireland (Farage said that he could see Brexit leading to Ireland being united). Lowe isn't an Englishman in favour of the Union. He very much doesn't care, to the extent of saying that migrants should be housed in tents on islands of the Scottish coastline. Not sure that far right Scottish types.would be thrilled to hear that Restore wants to house the evil migrants in Scotland. But who knows really...

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