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AIBU to think something significant needs to be done by the government to stop these horrific events occurring?

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Northermcharn · Yesterday 19:11

'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

Mobile phone footage recovered from Safi's phone showed the men in the lorry laughing and gesticulating, which Hetherington said suggested they thought they "got away with it".

When they were found by French police in Calais on 3 December, they were returned to the UK.
Hetherington said the trio had no travel documents or identification and had given false names to French authorities.
After their real names were checked on police systems, they were arrested on suspicion of rape.
Sali, of St Werburghs, denies one count of human trafficking and two charges of rape.
Habibkheil, of Lockleaze, denies one count of human trafficking and one charge of rape.
Ahmadzai, of Redcliffe, denies one charge of rape and one charge of assault by penetration.
The 16-year-old also denied one charge of rape.
The trial continues.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

The exterior entrance of Bristol Crown Court. It is a large sand coloured building with white columns outside the front, and large arched wooden double doors on the left.

Afghan men accused of fleeing UK after raping girl in Bristol

A jury is told three defendants left the country in a "deeply unusual" way after the alleged rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

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MandingoAteMyBaby · Today 09:31

Corianda · Today 08:29

And then do what - tell the coastguards to get out there quick and rescue them !!?

Yes - exactly.

Dnfs · Today 09:32

MandingoAteMyBaby · Today 09:29

You mean we should be willing to pay decent wages for those jobs ?

It’s not about training, it’s about making that kind of hard work attractive.

Fair point

Monty36 · Today 09:37

Yetanotherone12 · Yesterday 19:42

Agree.

Leaving the Dublin agreement has made it tough though as there simply isn’t room, unless we start building massive detention facilities.

it also hasn’t helped that we’ve lost access to Schengen databases. Farage and Brexit have created much of the immigration issue themselves.

what we need is much faster processing of asylum applications as well, get them turned round and sent home straight away if they don’t have a valid application.

You cannot deport a person unless a country accepts the individual belongs to them.
There are measures such as visa restrictions to use.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:09

Lecruesetisntright · Today 09:22

I've been raped once and sexually assaulted more than once. Always White British men.

Anecdotal accounts on rape demographics ate as useful as gender based crime statistics currently.

Northermcharn · Today 10:15

RetiredFromExplaining · Today 08:42

We are not Germany.

We are known for being accepting and tolerant of hundreds of migrant communities. It is what makes Britain such an amazing place to live. Our capital is run by a Muslim mayor, who is as British as they come. And figures show that the more diverse a community is, the less likely they are to vote for far right parties.

It is fear and not experience that leads people to call for wholesale bans on immigration. And the high number of people on this thread wanting to ban Muslims and Black people from coming here tells me you haven’t spent time in environments where you encounter immigrants as people. You see them as a homogeneous mass of “invaders” who somehow threaten our way of life.

Our hospitals and care homes and hospitality industries are populated by migrants, so I hope you don’t get ill or need care or enjoy a takeaway from India or China.

Or maybe I do hope you get ill and need care because you might then encounter Mohammed and Aysha and Latisha and see that they are as human as you and I and have the same dreams, cares and worries that we do.

?? We're not Germany but you can extrapolate that data and have an accurate picture. The fact you're burying your head in the sand about it and ignoring facts, is not surprising.

'Our hospitals and care homes and hospitality industries are populated by migrants, so I hope you don’t get ill or need care or enjoy a takeaway from India or China.
Or maybe I do hope you get ill and need care because you might then encounter Mohammed and Aysha and Latisha'

WHAT? Beyond belief. I'm not going to respond to you any further, you're response bear sno resemblance to what I wrote and now you're throwing about hopes that I get ill. Aren't you lovely. The left are always sweetness and light. Thanks for providing evidence.

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Northermcharn · Today 10:17

Lecruesetisntright · Today 09:22

I've been raped once and sexually assaulted more than once. Always White British men.

I'm very sorry to hear that. Were you in Africa? Or were you in a vast majority white country?

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Dnfs · Today 10:18

I feel sorry for anyone who has been assaulted. It makes me sick thinking about it. But the data per capita is clear. And it's clear across many nations.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:20

Monty36 · Today 09:37

You cannot deport a person unless a country accepts the individual belongs to them.
There are measures such as visa restrictions to use.

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At the stage we’re at, i think it’s a similar dilemma to whether we legalise drugs or just keep throwing money at fighting a futile problem.

The best and most workable system is deterrent. We all know England has a thriving black market when it comes to work. Many of the people currently awaiting their asylum applications to be processed are also working as couriers/food delivery drivers. I think digital ID will certainly help with that and because of that I probably do support it.

We also know that our benefit system is wide open to abuse. We need to make it much harder to claim if you haven’t paid in. That’s something that could easily be sorted if the right party was in power.

Finally we need a crack down on crime. There is a HUGE backlog of cases that need be tried, hence why Labour was talking about only having jury trials for the most serious.

if all of those things are put in place this country will cease to be a magnet for the world. We are so expensive now for food, utilities, housing and leisure with none of the perks such as stunning mountains or culture - the only thing going for the country is the language spoken and the easily accessed free money. If that tap could be turned off the problem will cease to exist.

Teddybear23 · Today 10:27

Lugol · Yesterday 19:59

I'm starting to think it's the government bringing them in.

Otherwise, why won't they do something about them?

Women and girls are raped, people are being stabbed, yet our government says absolutely fuck all about it.

You are correct. It is all planned to destroy us a civilised society. The more we object, the more we are arrested etc. No government could possibly allow this to happen and not stop it, if they really wanted to.

nam3c4ang3 · Today 10:29

Nothing will happen - do you realise that Labour is running the country? They want them here…. Too bad really. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Lecruesetisntright · Today 10:41

Northermcharn · Today 10:17

I'm very sorry to hear that. Were you in Africa? Or were you in a vast majority white country?

People are on this thread are making out like it's only the immigrants that commit these crimes, and it's not. Not at all.

Immigration has nothing to do with violence and sexual assault on women. We need to tackle tape and sexual violence, and not put the emphasis on immigrants. We'll be left no immigrants but still loads of issues of sexual violence.

Northermcharn · Today 10:50

Lecruesetisntright · Today 10:41

People are on this thread are making out like it's only the immigrants that commit these crimes, and it's not. Not at all.

Immigration has nothing to do with violence and sexual assault on women. We need to tackle tape and sexual violence, and not put the emphasis on immigrants. We'll be left no immigrants but still loads of issues of sexual violence.

No one is saying it is only immigrants that commit sex crimes. no one is saying that. People are saying they [immigrants /asylum seekers/ men from majority Islamic countries] per capita commit more sex crimes; and they are saying that we have enough sex criminals in the UK and don't need any more.

'In data from Germany (which as you know is similar to the UK), although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.'

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Lecruesetisntright · Today 10:52

Northermcharn · Today 10:50

No one is saying it is only immigrants that commit sex crimes. no one is saying that. People are saying they [immigrants /asylum seekers/ men from majority Islamic countries] per capita commit more sex crimes; and they are saying that we have enough sex criminals in the UK and don't need any more.

'In data from Germany (which as you know is similar to the UK), although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.'

We know that there is huge issue with under reporting of rape and sexual assault and that there is also a significant issue with crime recording so I'm extremely sceptical of those statistics.

Northermcharn · Today 10:55

Lecruesetisntright · Today 10:52

We know that there is huge issue with under reporting of rape and sexual assault and that there is also a significant issue with crime recording so I'm extremely sceptical of those statistics.

Of course you are. But anyway the problem is men it's always men. We just don't need more men from countries who think women are 3rd class citizens, in Europe.

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MandingoAteMyBaby · Today 11:03

nam3c4ang3 · Today 10:29

Nothing will happen - do you realise that Labour is running the country? They want them here…. Too bad really. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Weird then that numbers are falling under the current government after having been massively increased by the Conservatives.

Weird then that the asylum backlog is finally coming down under this current government too.

Why was there not this level of hysteria when things were much worse under the Conservatives ?

Dnfs · Today 11:04

Northermcharn · Today 10:55

Of course you are. But anyway the problem is men it's always men. We just don't need more men from countries who think women are 3rd class citizens, in Europe.

Statistics show something. Data is prevalent against many nations "oh I don't believe that data".

Walkyrie · Today 11:08

MySaintedAunt · Yesterday 19:51

I cannot understand why asylum seekers aren't securely detained while their asylum applications are processed. We don't have a clue who they are. One of the men responsible for the gang rape of a woman in Brighton recently was, it turned out, a convicted murderer in his home country, but was as free as a bird to roam here. Every single attack carried out by these men is entirely preventable.

In a speech last week Starmer stated the primary function of any Gov is the security of its population. Eyebrow raising stuff, as on this he has failed, and continues to fail, spectacularly.

What is there to process? What kind of diligent criminal and offending records do people think the Taliban are keeping? There are no ‘checks’, just an absence of information which means they get approved because there’s no record to reject the application. It’s a total mess and I’m sick of it

Walkyrie · Today 11:09

Lecruesetisntright · Today 10:41

People are on this thread are making out like it's only the immigrants that commit these crimes, and it's not. Not at all.

Immigration has nothing to do with violence and sexual assault on women. We need to tackle tape and sexual violence, and not put the emphasis on immigrants. We'll be left no immigrants but still loads of issues of sexual violence.

Studies in comparable countries have shown Afghan men are far more likely to commit sex assaults than men native to that country. Ffs, stop with this disingenuous bullshit.

Walkyrie · Today 11:10

Lecruesetisntright · Today 09:22

I've been raped once and sexually assaulted more than once. Always White British men.

Because there are more white men.

MandingoAteMyBaby · Today 11:16

Walkyrie · Today 11:08

What is there to process? What kind of diligent criminal and offending records do people think the Taliban are keeping? There are no ‘checks’, just an absence of information which means they get approved because there’s no record to reject the application. It’s a total mess and I’m sick of it

You can read all about it here, this is a very good description of what’s involved:

https://salamimmigration.co.uk/a-comprehensive-guide-on-uk-asylum-process-l-salam-immigration/

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notimagain · Today 11:17

Corianda · Today 07:34

Australia used planes to check their coast. We could use planes, helicopters or drones

The UK has been using crewed and uncrewed aircraft to monitor the channel for several years now.

They're not airborne everyday but they are often clearly visible plodding up and down the channel on aircraft tracking sites such as Flightradar.

Violinorbanjo · Today 11:19

OneTealShaker · Yesterday 19:17

Yeah but, diversity, innit.

Whats a few women getting raped as long as we can feel good about open borders.

We need to invest more money on top of paying for them to live for free, to teach these men to not rape women.

If we don’t bring them here and teach them, the women in their own countries would suffer at their hands instead.

More white men commit rapes in this country. Don’t tell us about over representation or per capita realities.

oi racist.

All arguments made by women on this very forum. And they’ll be along in a minute to fight the rapists corner. Thought id save them the trouble in regurgitating.

They would not rape women in their countries, because each daughter or adult woman has a man assigned to her who will kill the bastard

Violinorbanjo · Today 11:21

Or how to say it: as a woman you are assigned to your father and brother or your husband whose role is to protect you from strange men and this is hardly news

Paganpentacle · Today 11:22

notatinydancer · Yesterday 19:13

Agreed. But what can be done ? More and more come every day.

Close the borders. Turn them away.
Deport.

Violinorbanjo · Today 11:23

Walkyrie · Today 11:10

Because there are more white men.

yes but with the rate of foreign men coming in without their own women, the British born women's pool won't be enough soon and there will be a situation in which a civil war might happen due to the wounded pride of the British man - serious sociologists talk about it...just watched last night a French one talking about it

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