To be totally APPALLED by how Robinson referred to Henry Nowak in his “speech” in Southampton on Tuesday?

[Whereismyjoiedevivre]

I’ve just seen a clip of this in a Guardian article on the main agitators in Southampton on Tuesday.
TR refers to Henry Nowak in this way: “White privilege?! Does Henry swear word beginning with F Nowak look as if he had white privilege when he was lying on the floor?”
He then smirks as he looks down, clearly proud of himself for delivering such an eloquent speech [sarcasm].
I’m beyond disgusted by how the name of this beautiful young man, who has lost his life in the most brutal way, was used in such a disrespectful way in order to rouse a rabble and boost TR’s ego.
AIBU to say that over the last two days TR, NF and their ilk are really showing us who they are and what motivates them?

Hahahaha what a ridiculous point to make. In your view, what Eastern Europeans is it acceptable to make xenophobic and ignorant remarks about?

This practically gave me flashbacks to the massive NF march at Lewisham in 1977. Thank fuck we've moved on from the days when ranks of mounted police were at forefront of marching neo-fascists like they were that day.

I haven’t derailed my thread. I’ve responded to your point about the plumber - who you introduced to the thread.

You keep deflecting, not me. I’ve said on a few occasions that my point is in the OP, not a wider commentary on Henry Nowak’s murder but posters like you keep dragging other issues into it.

It’s wearying to read your posts because you jump all over the place, don’t answer questions and bring in other issues or other people eg the plumber.

It’s called using a historical present tense which is often used to emphasise a looking and make the account more immediate.

Maybe try reading it again and pretend that it’s someone else as you clearly have a huge issue with TR that is affecting your interpretation of it. He says he’s spoken about it for 20 years and says ‘every time, I’ve seen it my whole life’ - that is clearly referring to a broader set of events than just Henry’s murder last December.

I’m sure you would also find it helpful if you could look at his whole speech as I’m sure that will give you further context.

I mean, two tier policing is written into the police guidance so it’s not like they can realistically deny it.

”I’ve spoken about this for 20 years. To be a victim of a race gang, i.e., Pakistani Muslims, will be beating up a white kid, the police will turn up, and they will jump on the white kid. Every time, I’ve seen it my whole life.”

OK so don't read it. Simple.

It was PPs rather fanciful claim 🤷‍♀️

He said what he said. He didn’t say “except those people”. You seem to want to keep minimising bigoted comments about groups of people. Why is that?

Well it was correct - NF referred to 'Eastern Europeans' (as a whole), and this encompasses Poland.

Lost what?

Surely you can't be so disgraceful that you are saying OP lost some kind of competition re: her opinion about how disrespectful TR was adding "fucking" in the middle of a murdered man's name?

If you are that vile, then 2/3 of us agree with the OP, so your maths is way off

No, just highlighting the straw man you have created.

What other parts of his speech have you taken issue with?

From what PPs are saying, the swearing genuinely seems to be the only thing people are bothered with, so by inference, they accept the rest of it.

Several PPs are now resorting to personal digs or outright personal attacks so I’m guessing there’s not much else to discuss.

Are you implying that everyone in Eastern Europe is related?? That’s a weird claim.

I don’t need to read it again. I’ve watched the video. It’s very clear from your posts what your agenda is. Never a prejudiced remark that you don’t try to somehow explain away.

No I'm really not. I have said that Nigel Farage referred to Eastern Europeans, and that Poland is in Eastern Europe. You are really struggling with your reading comprehension today aren't you?

Don’t blame me, it was your rather ludicrous claim that you couldn’t back. Eastern Europe is a big place and Henry Nowak’s dad moved here many years ago.

I’m sure Farage has said plenty of unpleasant things, you don’t need to make stuff up.

Mind you, as someone else pointed out, maybe Nige was too busy accusing Henry Nowak's relatives of eating swans.

Mind you, as someone else pointed out, maybe Nige was too busy accusing Henry Nowak's relatives of eating swans.

This is PPs quote. Which bit of ‘Henry Nowaks relatives’ are you struggling with?

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse trying to explain this to you so I'm not going to engage further. I'd suggest you reread my comments and that may assist you.

How is it ‘prejudice’ if he is reporting evidence of a problem that is literally written into the guidance??

You seem remarkably comfortable with people making derogatory remarks about groups based on their nationality or ethnic background. Those sort of broad brush remarks include everyone with the particular characteristic referenced. They don’t exclude some individuals. That’s why most people find such remarks objectionable. Not you though hey.

I read it and as I said above, I don’t see your point.

I think you’re here to obfuscate and cause confusion by this stage.

It’s ok, between the power of geography and your helpful confirmation that not all Eastern Europeans are related, I have demonstrated that PPs claim is untrue.

Have a good day

Well let’s say we accept your rather bizarre defence. The guidance you’re referring to is about ‘race’ in general isn’t it? So the question still remains, why did TR use Pakistani Muslims’. Why not say ‘black and brown people’ or ‘non-whites’ or whatever term TR uses. Honestly your desperation to pretend he doesn’t have an agenda is laughable.

Haven't RTWT but fucking is an acceptable emphasis in that statement.

Nobody here is confused about geography.

Henry Nowak’s father is an immigrant. Nigel Farage, does not like immigrants (generally).

Henry’s father either does have family in Poland, or certainly did have family in Poland, because he is Polish.

Poland, is in Eastern Europe. By not specifying which Eastern Europeans are eating swans, he clearly said it about the area generally. You know, with his words.

Therefore, he said it about Henry’s father, or family, who are Eastern European.

HTH, genuinely, I think we’re all getting a headache banging our heads off this brick wall with you.

Tbf you change your username so often that even if I did take the time to find a quote I suspect was you I'm sure you'd just deny it 🤷‍♀️

And I wouldn't say the right have no standards, you just have no conviction and your standards change like the wind.

Take your illustrious leader for example, Mr Farage, who in the wake of Sarah Everard's deaths said "We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman to turn into attacks on men and the police". Fast forward a few years and he's now saying that in the wake of Henry Nowak's murder that he "suggests that the rest of us respond to this with pure cold rage."

So when a woman is raped and murdered by an actual police officer we should remain calm and measured and not blame the police but when a man is murdered by another man and the police response is inadequate we should all respond with pure, cold rage towards the police. A confused message from the right as ever.

Seriously, I'm losing brain cells trying to explain this incredibly simple concept.