Epstein Files

[HosierLanez]

so there’s a huge dump of data from Epstein files but apparently “nothing newsworthy” apart from a pic of bill clinton in a tub and Andy formerly known as Prince lying on girls knees all with faces blocked out… who is holding these people to account? Where is the citizen oversight of this case and the data- who is looking at the data and what is the rationale for the blacked out faces?

YABU this is a court process and it will come good in time, it is normal to have redactions like this

YANBU this is not as transparent as a normal process and it is less clear and open than the norm

I suspect because he has as much celebrity but less power/ability to threaten than many of the others.

Yes. As if TLQ would have protected a 'commoner' who wanted to marry her grandson over her beloved son!
The Andrew apologists deciding that MM being a possible victim of sex trafficking makes her worse than actually having sex with very young victims of sex trafficking!

Agree. How can there be 'nothing that would lead to criminal convictions' if they have seen, and redacted things like that?

I don't understand that logic. Who has been thrown under a bus? Virginia?

He was forced to do it by Congress (I think) and his administration will probably be held in contempt for withholding so much information.

It was suggested that a photo of a very young woman with her face redacted is MM, then said she was being protected by TLQ. People pointed out that there is nothing that indicates an unconscious woman lying on the floor with her face redacted is MM and other people have pointed out that TLQ would have jumped at the chance of using MM as a deflection from the misbehavour of her son.

Looks like a forensic trawl of google earth and flyover with some drones could be in order then.

In fact casual pondering suggests a golf course is a perfect place to dispose of unwanted bodies. It's land that is tightly controlled and where any ground disturbances would not raise any alarms.

He is immune from prosecution.

MM. They could have destroyed her once and for all if this was true.

I have to say that whatever you think of MM, bringing her into a thread like this really is the lowest of the low.

Yeah FFS why are we bringing MM into this?

Squirrel

Sadly assume it's more 'look over there, get angry at this!!' so other stuff can be snuck in under the radar. all v dead cat strategy.

Who said the young woman on the floor was MM? (Not me.)

In one of the emails Epstein tells a redacted person that he 'enjoyed the torture video.' Aside from the identities of victims, there should be no redactions. All this needs to be exposed. And the idea that Andrew, Fergie, Mandelson, Gates, Clinton, Trump et al had no idea what Epstein was up to is ridiculous. He was clearly in the business of satisfying people's worst instincts and then using that for leverage.

I had a look at the picture and from the persons hands I’d say they weren’t a young girl/woman. I think they’re in their 30’s. Not that it makes what the picture ok - especially with the towels, a tube of cream and what looks like a small white dildo on the large table behind them.

I think it’s clear as day that Andrew MW is being used as a scapegoat. He’s vile that’s in no doubt, but it’s interesting to see that every time the Epstein files are highlighted, his name and pictures are the only ones shown and super focused on.

As others have said he’s probably the least powerful and most stupid of the guys who took part in these crimes. Where and who are the others?

The BBC and others are working overtime to make this only about Andrew to the point where I believe far more of the international establishment including senior media figures on Boards and networked with very powerful people are in the files or at least related and trying to cover it up.

I also think a lot of shady and disastrous business and politically corrupt deals have been made off the back of island relationships.

I’ve read young children of both sexes were trafficked to the island and some ‘disappeared’. I’ve read that young children were raped by a powerful man in front of another powerful man. It’s so dark that I’m concerned Trump would rather start a nuclear war than have everything come out whilst he is still alive.

No. You suggested that another woman with her face blurred out was. Which Mumsnet rightly thought was unacceptable. And which caused her name to be dragged into discussion of this sordid shitshow.

You think it a good idea to give that suggestion further oxygen.

I didn’t. You did.

Deleted as I cant work out who said what, but I cant fathom how Meghan Markle can be identified by her hands! Unless she has an 'I love Harry tattoo on them!

You have your photos mixed up. I was referring to another one.

There are so many odd things. Like, for example, why Mandelson’s husband would be so grateful for £10,000? I mean-it’s a lot of money-but Mandelson could have laid his hands on that immediately if he needed it….

Yes. Or are wealthy people often also really tight? Happy to accept freebies and handouts. I know there's that response "Well, that's why they're rich" but it is odd that they would be asking for money for a private medical issue they could, no doubt, already afford. Or why even use an osteopath who changes £10k?

I disagree, the BBC top news right now is about Mandelson and more allegations of cash changing hands. Further down the website they talk about Musk and Bill Gates. On American websites I've seen they barely mention Andrew.