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Epstein Files

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HosierLanez · 21/12/2025 17:40

so there’s a huge dump of data from Epstein files but apparently “nothing newsworthy” apart from a pic of bill clinton in a tub and Andy formerly known as Prince lying on girls knees all with faces blocked out… who is holding these people to account? Where is the citizen oversight of this case and the data- who is looking at the data and what is the rationale for the blacked out faces?

YABU this is a court process and it will come good in time, it is normal to have redactions like this

YANBU this is not as transparent as a normal process and it is less clear and open than the norm

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dottiehens · 22/12/2025 08:09

RedTagAlan · 22/12/2025 00:14

The news networks are not saying he is.

I think Trump has brought a lot of this on himself. He campaigned on releasing the files, blowing his big old dog whistle to his base. He was close to being conspirator in chief. He promised to release them straight away, because Clinton, Gates etc.

Then he did not deliver, he downplayed it, then eventually resisted. It took an act of congress to force his hand, the fracturing of MAGA, and even now his DOJ folk face criminal charges of contempt of congress for withholding.

Really! I must be mistaken but all I heard was they were demanding Trump releasing the files. That he wouldn’t etc… As with Trump just like with the BBC everyone twist the truth to bring him down and it backfires. The man is horrible but people really hand him easy goals.

Sweetiedarling7 · 22/12/2025 08:10

Sartre · 22/12/2025 07:50

Trump won’t release anything that incriminates him or any of his cronies. Note the massive emphasis on Clinton. Also Trump can’t be indicted because he changed the constitution so even if a video were released of him sexually assaulting a minor, nothing could be done legally- it would only potentially affect him politically. Having said that, he just shouts fake news and claims everything has been AI generated anyway.

Basically, they will only release whatever keeps Trump happy and will hope it all goes away.

Exactly.
The US have elected an absolute monarch.

LoisGriffinskitchen · 22/12/2025 08:13

Odd that there are all these blokes involved and only Ghislane Maxwell is doing time. Funny that!

RedTagAlan · 22/12/2025 08:15

dottiehens · 22/12/2025 08:09

Really! I must be mistaken but all I heard was they were demanding Trump releasing the files. That he wouldn’t etc… As with Trump just like with the BBC everyone twist the truth to bring him down and it backfires. The man is horrible but people really hand him easy goals.

Trump campaigned on it last year. " Release the files".

It was all over the news at the time.

I have no idea what the BBC have to do with it.

Stopbringingmicehome · 22/12/2025 08:18

It's rich and powerful men going to a brothel. I wish the press would investigate the brothels normal men use and let those poor girls out.

HoskinsChoice · 22/12/2025 08:23

LoisGriffinskitchen · 22/12/2025 08:13

Odd that there are all these blokes involved and only Ghislane Maxwell is doing time. Funny that!

Well Maxwell and Epstein are the orchestrators of all this. I'm all for shouting misogyny in many walks of life but trying to find it in the fact that Maxwell is in prison is a stretch. She literally ran the whole thing and recruited and groomed every teenager. She is far, far more guilty than anyone other than Epstein.

PrincessOfPreschool · 22/12/2025 08:24

dottiehens · 22/12/2025 07:41

Hopeful you do not live in the UK where elections are now being delayed. So let’s talk about dictatorship if you even know the meaning.

Huh? There's a lot of weird misinformation going on about the UK. I'm assuming it may be same people who hacked our transport system in the summer. Someone doesn't like us... And if you're supposedly a friend, make sure you check your sources of information - it may be even from people you consider enemies.

HoskinsChoice · 22/12/2025 08:30

Stopbringingmicehome · 22/12/2025 08:18

It's rich and powerful men going to a brothel. I wish the press would investigate the brothels normal men use and let those poor girls out.

What do you mean by 'let them out'? Epstein's girls weren't kept under lock and key. Virginia Guiffre lived in her own flat, with her boyfriend (who knew everything about her working for Epstein), she had a car and maintained normal relationships with her friends and family. It is waaaaaaay more complicated than just 'letting them out'.

If you're speaking about brothels in general, again, they rarely need 'letting out' but also, they are often perfectly legal. Epstein targeted mid-teen girls which meant that what he did was illegal but most women connected to a brothel are of legal age.

HoskinsChoice · 22/12/2025 08:32

dottiehens · 22/12/2025 07:41

Hopeful you do not live in the UK where elections are now being delayed. So let’s talk about dictatorship if you even know the meaning.

Don't be ridiculous! The UK is not even close to being a dictatorship. Grow up.

Locutus2000 · 22/12/2025 08:33

PrincessOfPreschool · 22/12/2025 08:24

Huh? There's a lot of weird misinformation going on about the UK. I'm assuming it may be same people who hacked our transport system in the summer. Someone doesn't like us... And if you're supposedly a friend, make sure you check your sources of information - it may be even from people you consider enemies.

There's a lot of weird misinformation going on about the UK.

It's not weird or a mystery, it's a concerted campaign.

Genevieva · 22/12/2025 08:35

I don’t know what I though lt the Epstein files were, but I certainly didn’t think they were a photo album. It all seems a bit too tabloid gossip column, rather than factual.

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 08:54

dottiehens · 21/12/2025 23:26

How is Trump a pedo but Clinton, Bill Gates and all the rest aren’t? This is ridiculous.

Are people interested in Clinton and Bill Gates being in the files, it seems not going by pp below. It’s wanting the person they don’t like in them isn’t it. Bizarre.

RunSlowTalkFast · 22/12/2025 09:04

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 08:54

Are people interested in Clinton and Bill Gates being in the files, it seems not going by pp below. It’s wanting the person they don’t like in them isn’t it. Bizarre.

I think people are very interested in whether the ruler of the most powerful country in the world is in the files and he made people a lot more interested by going on and on about releasing the files then suddenly doing an abrupt U-turn and saying 'are people still talking about that" etc.

Any other guilty parties should also be locked up but it's Trump's fault people are focusing on him.

HRTQueen · 22/12/2025 09:09

Hardly a surprise Trump information is being held back we know what he is his supporters may not care but hopefully more republicans willl make a stand against him,

No sympathy for Clinton either moaning about being used as a scapegoat, which he is to some extent

so many young woman and girls in the photos so much abuse it’s all sickening

RafaistheKingofClay · 22/12/2025 09:23

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 08:54

Are people interested in Clinton and Bill Gates being in the files, it seems not going by pp below. It’s wanting the person they don’t like in them isn’t it. Bizarre.

Yes people are but the way the files have eventually been released makes who they have redacted out a bigger story.

If there is evidence of Clinton and Gates doing wrong in those files they should be prosecuted and do jail time. And so should anyone else regardless of what side of the political line they fall on or what position of power they hold.

RedTagAlan · 22/12/2025 09:59

RafaistheKingofClay · 22/12/2025 09:23

Yes people are but the way the files have eventually been released makes who they have redacted out a bigger story.

If there is evidence of Clinton and Gates doing wrong in those files they should be prosecuted and do jail time. And so should anyone else regardless of what side of the political line they fall on or what position of power they hold.

Lets not forget Melinda Gates did say the Epstein link was a contributing factor to the divorce.

Melinda French Gates Says Bill Gates's Relationship with Jeffery Epstein Contributed to Their Divorce (townandcountrymag.com)

Melinda Gates Says Bill Gates's Relationship with Jeffery Epstein Contributed to Their Divorce

In a tell-all interview, Melinda spoke of the "many things" that led to her divorce of Bill Gates, including his affairs and meetings with Epstein.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a39311417/melinda-gates-bill-gates-divorce-jeffery-epstein-quote/

PrincessOfPreschool · 22/12/2025 10:02

Locutus2000 · 22/12/2025 08:33

There's a lot of weird misinformation going on about the UK.

It's not weird or a mystery, it's a concerted campaign.

I know it's a concerted campaign, although I don't know who is behind it. If you have more info that would be great to know as its a mystery to me!

It's the information coming out which is weird, not the fact it's happening.

ChronicallyMum · 23/12/2025 19:16

Just an interesting update for people. Many of the documents were not correctly redacted, they just highlighted the text black. Copy and paste the text onto a new word document and unhighlight it. Doesn’t work for every page or images but it works for many.

Enjoy.

Thatonenight · 24/12/2025 17:56

I’ve seen that shocking.

HaddawayAndShite · 30/01/2026 21:58

Sorry for reviving this thread, but I couldn't see a current one following the release today. Warning: there are some absolute horrific and abhorrent things in there. There are also reports things are being removed and redacted already.

www.justice.gov/epstein

JaneJeffer · 30/01/2026 22:04

ChronicallyMum · 23/12/2025 19:16

Just an interesting update for people. Many of the documents were not correctly redacted, they just highlighted the text black. Copy and paste the text onto a new word document and unhighlight it. Doesn’t work for every page or images but it works for many.

Enjoy.

I don’t think enjoy is the right word.

JaneJeffer · 30/01/2026 22:06

Just watching Todd Blanche saying there’s nothing in them to enable them to prosecute anyone 🤬

DuncinToffee · 30/01/2026 22:12

Trigger Warning thread below contains allegations of sexual abuse and trafficking involving minors.

DOJ deleted this file after posting it. Save it while you can.
https://bsky.app/profile/altnps.bsky.social/post/3mdobsl6tic2p

crowsfleet · 30/01/2026 22:15

NextDG · 21/12/2025 21:45

Noam Chomsky 😬

yes so disappointing

HaddawayAndShite · 31/01/2026 10:55

DuncinToffee · 30/01/2026 22:12

Trigger Warning thread below contains allegations of sexual abuse and trafficking involving minors.

DOJ deleted this file after posting it. Save it while you can.
https://bsky.app/profile/altnps.bsky.social/post/3mdobsl6tic2p

I'm actually shocked more people aren't paying attention to this. Aren't horrified by this? MSM not reporting any of this seemingly either just seem to be concentrating on Bill Gates getting an STI. I weep for humanity.