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Epstein Files

194 replies

HosierLanez · 21/12/2025 17:40

so there’s a huge dump of data from Epstein files but apparently “nothing newsworthy” apart from a pic of bill clinton in a tub and Andy formerly known as Prince lying on girls knees all with faces blocked out… who is holding these people to account? Where is the citizen oversight of this case and the data- who is looking at the data and what is the rationale for the blacked out faces?

YABU this is a court process and it will come good in time, it is normal to have redactions like this

YANBU this is not as transparent as a normal process and it is less clear and open than the norm

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CurlewKate · 31/01/2026 18:15

Kingscallops · 21/12/2025 22:17

I'm not trying anything. Im pointing out that a Democrat also is a sleaze.

Did anyone say there weren’t Democrat sleaze balls too?

Foggybottomblues · 31/01/2026 18:21

I don't doubt you're entirely wrong. The Dems have just as many Skeltons in their closet. I don't know if you live in the States but if you do you will know this is talked about constantly you can't watch a news program, a chat show radio program it's Just a constant stream of allegations, innuendo and insults. Much of it is unfounded and false so it looses all credibility.

TheWildEyeBoyfromafreecloud · 31/01/2026 18:54

@Hungrycaterpillarsmummy i agree he's an absolute sneeze ball but so far ..

HopSpringsEternal · 31/01/2026 19:09

Foggybottomblues · 31/01/2026 17:48

@HopSpringsEternal They've been heavily redacted for a number of reasons the most important of which is to protect victims who. Do you really think if something solid was actually known CNN, ABC or NBC would have kept quiet?. It's easy to go down these anti Trump rabbit holes but at some point you have to apply logic and reason not just spout out unproven allegations

You realised they were redacted before the press saw them!

NewspaperTaxis · 31/01/2026 19:43

I heard on Sky News today that some of the allegations in the films came via a hotline that people could phone - so anybody could, with no verification. That may be why the MSM are going easy on the likes of Trump.

That said, it could be that Andrew M-W is being hung out to dry on this to deflect. This is ironic, because it was around 10 years ago I think that his name was being linked to Epstein, and around this time the Met and Surrey Police took a sudden, odd and prolonged interest in nailing other celebs such as the DJ Paul Gambaccuni, Cliff Richard and Lord Brammall, oh also Leon Brittain too. We were all led by the nose but nothing was found on them - and they were exonerated - but it does look now like a massive case of misdirection away from Jimmy Savile, the grooming gang scandals and Prince Andrew, too.

DuncinToffee · 31/01/2026 22:53

in his press conference, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche admits that the DOJ excluded all images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from yesterday’s Epstein files release.

Shock
Rhaidimiddim · 31/01/2026 23:03

DuncinToffee · 31/01/2026 22:53

in his press conference, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche admits that the DOJ excluded all images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from yesterday’s Epstein files release.

Shock

Dead God! If there were such images, there should be criminal investigations, not redactions.

explanationplease · 31/01/2026 23:06

Fitzcarraldo353 · 21/12/2025 17:48

Every news agency is poring over hundreds of thousands of pages of info and it might take a while.
But also they are being held to account. Both the media and many, many US politicians - both democrats and republicans - have been asking questions about the extent of the redactions and what files have not yet been relevant why.

It's all been reported if you look.

People complaining is not holding them to account. Thats just complaining. Revealing the perpetrators entirely might be a start.

explanationplease · 31/01/2026 23:06

DuncinToffee · 31/01/2026 22:53

in his press conference, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche admits that the DOJ excluded all images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from yesterday’s Epstein files release.

Shock

Just wow. What the fuck were they doing??

FOJN · 31/01/2026 23:39

explanationplease · 31/01/2026 23:06

Just wow. What the fuck were they doing??

There is a claim from one victim that she witnessed another girl being strangled to death and another victim who was threatened with "being turned into fertiliser for the back 9, just like the other cunts". The back 9 being on one of Trump's golf courses although it wasn't him who made the threat.

NoKidsSendDogs · 01/02/2026 01:01

Kingscallops · 21/12/2025 21:47

So are Bill Clinton's.

Has anybody said don't hold Bill Clinton to account and has bill Clinton been redacted from the files by his corrupt administration? NO. Nice attempt at deflecting though.

NoKidsSendDogs · 01/02/2026 01:04

Americano75 · 31/01/2026 18:09

This piece of shit boasted he could walk into Fifth Avenue and shoot people and he wouldn't get done for it. I think he's right.

It probably helps that his supporters are dumb as shit

RedTagAlan · 01/02/2026 04:49

Americano75 · 31/01/2026 18:01

I'm not being funny, but does anyone think this will make any difference, to anything?

I reckon one thing it will change is the UK honours system.
Now it turns out that Lord Mandelson was taking money from Epstein while a Government Minister, and promising to try to change government policy.

If the King can strip the title of Prince with the stroke of his pen, it is ridiculous that the same can't be done for gongs.

Mandelson needs stripping, and charged with corruption.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 01/02/2026 07:09

Why did just reading the latest news articles covering this and seeing bloody Lord Mandelson, former Labour US envoy, standing in his underpants with a robed woman next to him irritate me so much?

These men are so ridiculous. Epstein’s russian KGB links are now apparent along with his links to Israel’s secret service. He had massive wealth with no real business to explain it. He was a red flag to our secret service but they kept out of it because of his Royal links. What a huge fucking embarrassment and all because men can’t help wanting to put their dicks into warm, wet things.

T00thl3ss · 01/02/2026 07:13

NewspaperTaxis · 31/01/2026 19:43

I heard on Sky News today that some of the allegations in the films came via a hotline that people could phone - so anybody could, with no verification. That may be why the MSM are going easy on the likes of Trump.

That said, it could be that Andrew M-W is being hung out to dry on this to deflect. This is ironic, because it was around 10 years ago I think that his name was being linked to Epstein, and around this time the Met and Surrey Police took a sudden, odd and prolonged interest in nailing other celebs such as the DJ Paul Gambaccuni, Cliff Richard and Lord Brammall, oh also Leon Brittain too. We were all led by the nose but nothing was found on them - and they were exonerated - but it does look now like a massive case of misdirection away from Jimmy Savile, the grooming gang scandals and Prince Andrew, too.

Interesting photos of Prince Andre are being released now when Trump popularity is falling over ICE. There must be photos of Trump too. Certainly smells like deflection.

Boomer55 · 01/02/2026 07:20

HoskinsChoice · 22/12/2025 08:23

Well Maxwell and Epstein are the orchestrators of all this. I'm all for shouting misogyny in many walks of life but trying to find it in the fact that Maxwell is in prison is a stretch. She literally ran the whole thing and recruited and groomed every teenager. She is far, far more guilty than anyone other than Epstein.

This. They procured and trafficked the females, some very young, and offered them up to various powerful men.

If Epstein was still alive, he would have spent years in prison, so no sympathy for Maxwell.

Any of the men who used sex trafficked victims, or under age girls, should also be in prison - regardless of whether they are rich, royal, powerful or whatever.

Valeriekat · 01/02/2026 07:24

Happygirl79 · 21/12/2025 17:49

The government administration have done Trump no favours by instructing the FBI ( thousands of agents working on the files ) to redact and remove any mention of Trump from the Epstein files.
He was best friends with Epstein for years although of course he denies this.
They missed some pictures and released them by mistake then realising this, removed them completely but the file reference shows up as missing now.
Why would an innocent person go to this extreme to remove trace of themselves?
He just looks incredibly guilty to me.

This is completely untrue, do you really think that if the Biden administration had any dirt on Trump it wouldn't be public knowledge?

pouletvous · 01/02/2026 07:35

i dont believe that Andy MBW is the only one in
the Epstein files. There must be dirt on others

why is only the former prince named and shamed
each time? He’s already fallen from
grave. There’s nothing we can see that will shock or
ruin his good name as he doesn’t have one

Gowlett · 01/02/2026 07:50

pouletvous · 01/02/2026 07:35

i dont believe that Andy MBW is the only one in
the Epstein files. There must be dirt on others

why is only the former prince named and shamed
each time? He’s already fallen from
grave. There’s nothing we can see that will shock or
ruin his good name as he doesn’t have one

A (and Fergie) are definitely taking more flack, because, although royalty, they aren’t really powerful or influential. In real wealth & power terms. A is a handy scapegoat, for the press. No way that other high-office or billionaires will be jailed, for now. I think the Diddy case is similar. Loads more going on…

Rhaidimiddim · 01/02/2026 10:32

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heartsinvisiblefury · 01/02/2026 10:35

It’s the cover up that always gets them (well Trump in this case). It will all come out.

CurlewKate · 01/02/2026 10:44

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Americano75 · 01/02/2026 10:46

As of we wouldn't know by now if MM was in there!

Rhaidimiddim · 01/02/2026 10:53

Americano75 · 01/02/2026 10:46

As of we wouldn't know by now if MM was in there!

Well, Virginia Guiffre's lawyers were wanting her to testify. Perhaps QE2 was saving two of her offspring from embarrassment, not just one.

Americano75 · 01/02/2026 10:55

Rhaidimiddim · 01/02/2026 10:53

Well, Virginia Guiffre's lawyers were wanting her to testify. Perhaps QE2 was saving two of her offspring from embarrassment, not just one.

Thrown her under the bus to save AMW more like.