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AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

477 replies

Yetmorebeanstocount · 09/03/2024 16:17

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

OP posts:
Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:48

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:46

And we are with France. But it has nothing at all whatsoever to do with this discussion.

I think alot of things on here have not much to do with the original discussion!

We've gone on a lot of tangents

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:48

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:17

Controversial.

Edited

Yet, true.

BBC is received freely in Éire (Wikipedia), and those close to the border register with the NHS to access a doctor to avoid the doctors fee.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:49

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:45

Does it really matter though. People have sent me letters from abroad and put eire on it. I didn't really care

It matters when oddballs come on here and lecture us fgs! This thread really is so strange!

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:49

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:23

Are you from ireland or UK.

It sounds like you were born in UK to irish parents. Is that right?

Right

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:50

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:48

I think alot of things on here have not much to do with the original discussion!

We've gone on a lot of tangents

Putting it somewhat mildly there 😂

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:50

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:25

Which is not particularly tribal? And has nothing to do with a so called 'tribal mentality' in the actual country? I'm not fully understanding your points here tbh 🤔

It's tribal as I see it, a good thing, not a bad thing, and people born where I am, the town, also tribal from being where we are.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:51

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:50

It's tribal as I see it, a good thing, not a bad thing, and people born where I am, the town, also tribal from being where we are.

Bot bot bot bot bot

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:51

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:29

Wtaf are you on about?

You didn't know this?

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:53

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:38

It's Ireland. Or the Republic of Ireland. What that has to do with anything being discussed here is beyond me though. Are you a russian bot or something?

If you are, you are remarkably badly programmed

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:54

Whatnonsenseisthisnow · 10/03/2024 19:39

We don't use Éire unless speaking Irish.
It's Ireland or the Republic of Ireland (ROI) in English.
Ireland is the actual nane.
ROI is handy too sometimes and lots of people use it.

Edited

Erin's land, of course. And I call it Éire as I was taught

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:55

I am somewhat amused as my username is a west Wing character who was a Russian double agent ☺️

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:56

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:41

Em is it beyond your comprehension that people can be in a couple of different countries in one week.

Have you heard of ryanair 20 euro.flights?

I'm in spain today. I'm actually flying to Ireland again next week for a family commitment. That might blow your mind I guess.

I can live in spain and fly to Ireland every weekend if I felt like it. Its so cheap. 20-30 euro

Edited

It's what happens when people haven't experienced it and so can't understand it, so therefore it isn't true

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:58

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:51

Bot bot bot bot bot

You admit it then

Whatnonsenseisthisnow · 10/03/2024 20:00

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:54

Erin's land, of course. And I call it Éire as I was taught

You should consider changing to Ireland.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 20:00

So, anywayyyy...

Gowlbag · 10/03/2024 20:01

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:56

It's what happens when people haven't experienced it and so can't understand it, so therefore it isn't true

I can’t imagine the thrill of flying in an airyplane and leaving my hovel in the bog and being in another country in the same week! You’re right, I’m just an ignorant culchie.
Is this because I dared to question the veracity of a poster who states that she is in Ireland as if to imply that the outcome of the referendum had some bearing on her life? Then later states she left Ireland a week ago and hates the country?

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 20:04

Whatnonsenseisthisnow · 10/03/2024 20:00

You should consider changing to Ireland.

Well, no. I'll consider nothing. The country is Éire to me.

WaveyGodshawk · 10/03/2024 20:10

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:51

Bot bot bot bot bot

More like troll methinks. Don't feed it!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/03/2024 20:12

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 09/03/2024 16:53

You are missing a lot.

The majority of people don't like the existing wording but we aren't fools who would just accept a change for the sake of it.

There are many problems with the proposal but at it's simpliest

  1. The use of the words "strive to support" is subjective, what exactly does it mean - we'll try but can't commit to? and it was unclear how that would be interpretation in the courts
  2. The advice of the Attorney General wasn't shared with the general public and was only leaked last week - it calls out the problematic nature of the clause
  3. It also ignores carers or other people in caring situations
  4. It gives no new legal rights to anyone but it may potentially dilute them

Trust us, we are fine over here and know what we are doing. We also thought Brexit was stupid but we didn't tell you how to vote.

Most of us thing Brexit was stupid so please feel free to say so

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 20:12

WaveyGodshawk · 10/03/2024 20:10

More like troll methinks. Don't feed it!

Yeah. The thread has become v strange altogether. I'm amused and bemused in equal measure! Roll on the news 😁

Gowlbag · 10/03/2024 20:13

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 20:04

Well, no. I'll consider nothing. The country is Éire to me.

Do you also refer to Italy as Italia when speaking English? Or call Germany Deutschland? Same difference

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 20:14

WaveyGodshawk · 10/03/2024 20:10

More like troll methinks. Don't feed it!

Enjoying my apple, thanks. By all means, carry on...

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 20:14

Gowlbag · 10/03/2024 20:13

Do you also refer to Italy as Italia when speaking English? Or call Germany Deutschland? Same difference

Sometimes...?

Mittens1717 · 10/03/2024 20:15

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 20:14

Sometimes...?

😂😂

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 20:15

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 20:04

Well, no. I'll consider nothing. The country is Éire to me.

We could always open the kettle of fish and say, but of course, the British Isles...