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AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

477 replies

Yetmorebeanstocount · 09/03/2024 16:17

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

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Abhannmor · 10/03/2024 18:55

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 18:16

Weren't there just huge protests in Dublin against immigrants.?

No. The protests were against the government really. For not doing their job , eg background checks on the lone immigrant who stabbed three children and their teacher outside a school.

It morphed into a riot / looting situation. Rather as the protests against the shooting of Mark Duggan by police in London soon became a violent free for all. But I'm sure you already know all this.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 18:56

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I won't be called ignorant by anyone. I'm going to start reporting some of your most disgusting posts.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 18:58

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 18:56

I won't be called ignorant by anyone. I'm going to start reporting some of your most disgusting posts.

C'mon, there are more important things afoot here. Like why have I been paying for doctors all my life when I should have been using the NHS! I feel cheated.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 18:59

Abhannmor · 10/03/2024 18:55

No. The protests were against the government really. For not doing their job , eg background checks on the lone immigrant who stabbed three children and their teacher outside a school.

It morphed into a riot / looting situation. Rather as the protests against the shooting of Mark Duggan by police in London soon became a violent free for all. But I'm sure you already know all this.

What? Like what are you even talking about.

The protests were about immigrants.

Did you not see the videos online of people shouting "get immigrants out"

alittleprivacy · 10/03/2024 18:59

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I mean sure some of us watch the BBC but we pay our TV service provider who pay the BBC for broadcast rights. Occasionally people with certain illnesses access the NHS but the HSE pays for that. And you sure as shit don't randomly give us money. Ireland is a republic, independent of the UK in the same way France is. Seriously, don't mouth off about shite you have no clue about.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:00

alittleprivacy · 10/03/2024 18:59

I mean sure some of us watch the BBC but we pay our TV service provider who pay the BBC for broadcast rights. Occasionally people with certain illnesses access the NHS but the HSE pays for that. And you sure as shit don't randomly give us money. Ireland is a republic, independent of the UK in the same way France is. Seriously, don't mouth off about shite you have no clue about.

Ah here, let them off, it's most entertaining!

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:01

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 20:15

'the British' (not the man/woman in the street ) would really want to keep quiet in this regard given their government's historic abuse of our country. Who knows where we'd be now without the interference of 'the British'. But we have made monumental strides for equality in a very short time, for divorce, abortion and gay marriage, despite our setbacks.

Ok so...

The Normans 1171 (or 1172?) has already conquered us in 1066, then went for Wales and Scotland. Built the Pale.

That's not the English. And who was it that I voted the Normans in to sort out a King's dispute? Strongbow, wasn't his name?

Not related to any of us now, except maybe slightly to our Royal Family, who in fact were Scottish, as the English line ended with Edward the Confessor.

Maybe not conflate English with British. Maybe if you knew a bit of our own history

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:02

I can't quote the post as its been deleted.

But how do we access the NHS? I've never used the NHS in my life.

Republic of ireland have its own health care system

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:03

Doteycat · 09/03/2024 20:13

You cannot equate the unmitigated disaster that is Brexit with any if that
And also educate yourself. It was not an abortion referendum.
As we Irish know.
Because we take this stuff seriously and dont do protest votes and make sure we understand what we are being asked.
So dont even bother, your so called whataboutery holds no value.

How do you know that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster? For whom? And if British are meant to "not interfere or comment on Irish politics" then not should the Irish of British politics.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:03

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:01

Ok so...

The Normans 1171 (or 1172?) has already conquered us in 1066, then went for Wales and Scotland. Built the Pale.

That's not the English. And who was it that I voted the Normans in to sort out a King's dispute? Strongbow, wasn't his name?

Not related to any of us now, except maybe slightly to our Royal Family, who in fact were Scottish, as the English line ended with Edward the Confessor.

Maybe not conflate English with British. Maybe if you knew a bit of our own history

When you say 'our own history ' do you mean the British? As in the UK and NI? Cos if you do, you're in the wrong place.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:04

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:02

I can't quote the post as its been deleted.

But how do we access the NHS? I've never used the NHS in my life.

Republic of ireland have its own health care system

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There must be a secret code or something 😂

Mittens1717 · 10/03/2024 19:06

@Redpencil99 what are you on about? I for one have never watched the BBC or used the NHS, we do have our own Health care system you know...🙄

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:07

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 20:43

Fine. I didn't say anything to that effect though. And tbh it is extremely irritating when some not all English people refuse to acknowledge why other countries might have an issue with the colonial past. I've told this story on here before more than once, but I once met an English history teacher in a pub in Dublin who had absolutely no idea that food was shipped out of Ireland during the 'famine', leaving the Irish to starve on the side of the road. She was horrified. All countries have a past, most have a past they wouldn't be proud of, but when people refuse to acknowledge it or learn about it, and then have the cheek to lecture the ancestors of the victims, it leaves a very very sour taste in the mouth.

Yes and the Irish middle class took their share of it too and lined their pockets

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:07

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:04

There must be a secret code or something 😂

I presume that poster was talking about Northern Ireland

To that poster: the referendum this thread is talking about was held in the Republic of Ireland

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:07

Mittens1717 · 10/03/2024 19:06

@Redpencil99 what are you on about? I for one have never watched the BBC or used the NHS, we do have our own Health care system you know...🙄

This is turning into the bleedin twilight zone!

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:08

Mittens1717 · 10/03/2024 19:06

@Redpencil99 what are you on about? I for one have never watched the BBC or used the NHS, we do have our own Health care system you know...🙄

She was talking about northern Ireland i think

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 19:10

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:07

Yes and the Irish middle class took their share of it too and lined their pockets

Thanks for gracing us with your presence and superior knowledge. I'm off to find my nearest NHS facility (might take a while, and a change of jurisdiction).

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:10

newnamethanks · 09/03/2024 22:00

Sounds quite liberating to me. Mothers should receive state support to stay at home with small children, if they so choose, instead of the State baby- farming them off to someone else, often women whose own children are, in turn, being looked after by other mothers. Nuts.

Exactly

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:10

@Redpencil99 you said that we can access the nhs.

We can't. No one in the Republic of Ireland can, we have our own health care system

TheABC · 10/03/2024 19:10

Abhannmor · 09/03/2024 17:45

They could get some practice in for when they write one of their own. 😂

Perhaps we should turn the tables and invite you to write it for us? Can't be any worse than the fuckwits and fudges we put up with now.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:13

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:07

Yes and the Irish middle class took their share of it too and lined their pockets

I could argue that probably most people that were middle class in ireland then, were British.

They took the land off the irish. Some upper class irish probably benefitted from the system too of course

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:14

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 00:49

Same here but not in those numbers! I did also have the honour of accompanying my friend to the ballot box in a Polish election, that was cool. I love voting, I shed a tear when I got my little girl to put the ballot in the box for Repeal. I know it sounds naff, but it was watching her casting a vote for her own future. It was momentous for me.

Is that allowed where you vote? In the UK it isn't, if it's your vote, legally you should put it in. And I do know, both my parents did elections, one was a returning officer several times.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:15

@Redpencil99 can you clarify your point where you said that irish people use the NHS.

As I've pointed out to you, ireland has its own healthcare system, which is the HSE. We don't use the NHS at all.

alittleprivacy · 10/03/2024 19:16

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:02

I can't quote the post as its been deleted.

But how do we access the NHS? I've never used the NHS in my life.

Republic of ireland have its own health care system

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The HSE occasionally pays the NHS to refer patients with specific conditions, especially paediatric, to NHS hospitals.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 19:17

Redpencil99 · 10/03/2024 19:07

Yes and the Irish middle class took their share of it too and lined their pockets

Controversial.