AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

[Yetmorebeanstocount]

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

You don't have to wait for them to become adults. They don't have to actually be born in ireland

Black people could move from the UK to teach in ireland couldn't they? Or white english teachers could move over.

But the primary schools in my town in Ireland consistently only hire local Irish teachers.

They just don't seem to hire many foreign teachers.

Weren't there just huge protests in Dublin against immigrants.?

Wait for who to become adults? Regarding teaching, there is the issue of the Irish language, I'm not sure if that's still a barrier but it was a requirement previously.

It comes across to me that this was a 'Oh, you're all progressive and smart, women, you don't want to be told your place is in the home, do you?' and, having far more sense than the blokes in power have credited them with, the women of the Republic of Ireland have seen straight through it as a precursor to 'and we're reducing benefits (maybe even a cap on more than two children - after all, abortion is legal now) and introducing conditionality just like the UK has to force them into shit jobs as a result'.

Oh my good lord

Danielgault this is the last timeI that I will repeat what someone wrote for you.

@Abhannmor wrote in a post to you, literally a couple of posts ago

'If you want black schoolteachers you have to wait until they become adults'

Yes irish language is probably a bit of a barrier.

Here is barcelona, the teachers told me that people can't get a job as a teacher in the public schools, if they don't speak catalan fluently.
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There is a far right element in this country as there is in practically every other European country. I don't think we need to self flagellate any more than anyone else does in that regard. One of our biggest football teams had a logo on their jersey welcoming immigrants.

Sorry, I think it was welcoming refugees actually.

@Sashamalia @DanielGault @Abhannmor - any chance you guys could agree to disagree and stop the swabling over tangents you appear to have gone off on?

The thread would be more enjoyable of people could discuss the referendum and their thoughts on it instead of arguing side issues.

Didn't hear about the football team.

That's nice!

Yeah absolutely I'd be happy to.

@DanielGault @Abhannmor we have gone off topic. Let's go back to the referendum. I'm sure people have a lot more they want to say

@Mittens1717 I've no idea what you're on about.

Do you even know what you're talking about, cuz you are making zero sense.

Anyone who wants to teach in Ireland has to have an Irish language qualification and an Irish teaching qualification. That means a person moving from another country has to commit to several years training before they start to teach.

On ethnic minorities in the old Ireland, there were quite a lot of Chinese people - as with Italians, many of them were in the restaurant business. But it's much better now that we have more of a mixture.

I'll step out now but tbh I think it's a bit cheeky to be policing like that. It's not your place. You can choose to ignore us and curse us to high heaven, but end of the day it's a public forum and the conversation morphed into what it did.

It would help if the opening post wasn't such a blatant piece of trolling. But I'm content to leave this unseemly bunfight. There are two other civilised threads on the subject anyway.

😂😂😂

How do we access the NHS?

I think the only reasonable answer to that comment is "are you on glue?"

My stepping out didn't last long, did it 😂

It was bad enough that the proposals were so problematic when they could have actually achieved really change and benefit if there were more considered but the cost seems ridiculous.

Does anyone understand how it cost €23milion?

I understand the vote counters have to be paid, the voting card & ballot papers gave yo be printed and there's transportation and delivery costs and the rental of the final count centre but I really think I and almost anyone else tasked with the job could have delivered more value for money.

Politicians also appear to be very quiet today and most papers going easy of the government.

It was all very, very quiet. I had RTE on for most of the day and there was very little said. Sure, we'll just run it again in 18 months, be grand!