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To be absolutely disgusted by this?

309 replies

sugarrosepetal · 12/06/2023 17:51

I'm so angry. I get that people want to have equal rights but this is not equality. It is the eradication of the rights of "women" in order to appease the minority.

To be absolutely disgusted by this?
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Helleofabore · 12/06/2023 23:27

Thelnebriati · 12/06/2023 21:06

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determinedtomakethiswork · 12/06/2023 23:29

Fucking hell. Who writes this absolute trash?

Tessisme · 12/06/2023 23:30

My gay friend explained it to me. He said if two men both declare themselves as non-binary and have a relationship, then they are lesbians. The non-man wording is so it is inclusive of such men.

Why? Why are they lesbians if they are non binary? Surely non binary means you identify as neither male nor female. So I don't understand why they are automatically lesbians. If two men declare themselves transgender women, if I empty my brain of all intelligence, common sense and knowledge of biology, I could (at a squint) see the argument for calling them lesbians, but not if they are two non binary men.

Walkaround · 12/06/2023 23:35

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

HRTQueen · 12/06/2023 23:37

two gay men who identify as non binary are now lesbians

you can’t make this nonsense up

Wygelia · 12/06/2023 23:38

Holy feckin shit. I hate this new world and my poor daughters.

If Labour/Greens/Lib Dems get in, this is the sort of shit they endorse.

God help us.

Wygelia · 12/06/2023 23:39

*and my poor daughters have to grow up in it.

Stupid phone.

Empowermenomore · 12/06/2023 23:41

This was around when The Greens got embroiled with David and Amy Challenor case. They introduced the non-man speech to refer to women. David Challenor was jailed for raping a 9 years old girl while dressing himself as a little girl. His daughter a trans identified male that was celebrated by the Greens (just 17yo at the time) was aware of the pending rape court case while standing as a Green candidate and using his dad as his agent! Lucas swooped all under the carpet after an independent investigation.
non men is dehumanising and truly erases women. truly misogynistic.

My2pence2day · 12/06/2023 23:42

HRTQueen · 12/06/2023 23:37

two gay men who identify as non binary are now lesbians

you can’t make this nonsense up

Good lord. Well if this catches on, which I doubt it will, then we just call men, Non-women.
It all will come out in the wash 🤭

Walkaround · 12/06/2023 23:45

Well, it can’t be sexual attraction they feel, because it’s all about gender identity, not sex. So it should have its own special name - eg non-binarist. Or narcissistic twerp.

teabycandlelight · 12/06/2023 23:52

Lacucuracha · 12/06/2023 18:01

Why isn’t a gay man a non-woman?

Couldn’t agree more!!

334bu · 13/06/2023 00:02

UK Greens were calling us non men as far back as 2016. Wonder how many new descriptions of women have been seen since then.? " Bodies with vaginas" in the Lancet was a particularly dehumanising one.

Boulshired · 13/06/2023 00:29

I can’t understand why anyone who is non binary would not see themselves as pan, isn’t that what it was created for, a catch all sexuality group.

Boulshired · 13/06/2023 00:55

So I’ve got my head around it now, gay men are a sub group of the umbrella term gay, so Sam Smith could still consider themselves in a gay relationship but not a gay man. But lesbians haven’t been afforded the two groups it is just one group there is no lesbian woman or a lesbian relationship, and to get around this have gone for the offensive term non man.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2023 05:52

The process by which trans individuals choose to take a prescription of artificial hormones in order to physically/medically affirm their gender.

Goodness, how does that work then, it almost sounds like there is some typical physical body type they're associating with their "gender"? But I thought both men and non men could have any body type?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2023 05:56

I don’t think the passage shared shows that the glossary is fuelled by misogyny, which a lot of posters seem to feel.

The whole movement which inspired this "glossary" is fuelled by misogyny.

MavisMcMinty · 13/06/2023 05:59

I remember someone on Twitter saying they always deliberately vote for the “wrong” answer on Twitter polls, and had loads of replies saying “that’s what I do too! LOL!!” so I can only assume the 3% saying YABU here are the same kind of people.

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/06/2023 06:17

Hidinginaonesie · 12/06/2023 22:45

I’ve found a good use for the definition of non-man.

THAT is a definition I can support!

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/06/2023 06:20

LemonSwan · 12/06/2023 23:24

Definition of John Hopkins University:

A non-university presenting as a university.

“Our simple aim is to make scholars, strong, bright, useful, and true,” 1876

  • Poor soul will be turning in his grave.

Turning?

He'll be effing SPINNING!

Madamecastafiore · 13/06/2023 06:21

Yet over on the Geoff goes to the barbecue thread we're being advised that he just wants to wear his C&A frock and not a leather gimp mask so we should just go along with the madness, it's not really affecting us!!!

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/06/2023 06:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2023 05:52

The process by which trans individuals choose to take a prescription of artificial hormones in order to physically/medically affirm their gender.

Goodness, how does that work then, it almost sounds like there is some typical physical body type they're associating with their "gender"? But I thought both men and non men could have any body type?

A physical body type?

Surely not! After all, genitals etc are immaterial to this debate - they mean nothing. Anybody can have a penis - doesn't matter whether you are a man or a woman - er, sorry - doesn't matter whether you are a man or a non-man. It's no different to eye colour or being tall, as we are all very well aware.

No - there must be some other, perfectly valid and totally sound, justifiable and well-founded reason that they're taking artificial hormones, because otherwise it's just body facism and we know how they all hate that..

JustAnotherUsey · 13/06/2023 06:28

What about the gay non woman that identify as non binary? So it only works one way then?!

Basically proving that not only are they eradicating women, they are only interested in the feelings of the men that identify as lesbians. Not bothered about the feelings of the women that identify as gay men!

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/06/2023 06:32

It's a rabidly misogynistic and homophobic cult.

I keep praying that every outrageous thing they say and do will be the one that peaks the world, but so far it is just baby steps (though they are being taken in the right direction).

I don't know how tis contagion has taken hold - there must be SO MUCH MONEY behind this, it's unbelievable. Nothing else can explain this total rejection of science, biology and common sense.

Walkaround · 13/06/2023 06:36

It’s like a game of pretend. Everyone has to pretend men can be women and women can be men, and both can be neither, and that this is all hugely important. And that men are the centre of the universe, so that if there is another category, it has to be one that identifies that you are not a proper man - obviously, men can be proper women, though, more so than biological women, because men are better at everything.

Mental health issues are growing, not reducing, so it can hardly be argued this is helping anyone. Transexuals are transexuals. They are a different category of their own. Most of the time, they can live as the man or woman they see themselves to be, but not all the time - sometimes, they have to accept they are not the same as people of the opposite sex and have no right whatsoever to interfere with the words and safe spaces of those people. They have a right to acceptance and to be treated with dignity and to be afforded safe spaces too, though.

Society was in a better place when it was allowed to differentiate effectively between transexuals, transvestites and perverts with misogynistic fetishes and fantasies. Non-binary is just a load of narcissistic nonsense created as a consequence of insisting that fantasy is more important than reality. You are just a human being, like everyone else, and the vast majority of humans know exactly what sex they were at birth. There is no need to argue against that identity - the problem is the gender stereotyping, not the sex.