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sugarrosepetal · 2023-06-12T16:51:06+00:00

I'm so angry. I get that people want to have equal rights but this is not equality. It is the eradication of the rights of "women" in order to appease the minority.

Swrigh1234 · 13/06/2023 07:52

Make this go viral. These institutions don’t care about what’s right and wrong. They have been captured by a small band of dangerous Marxist extremists. They only thing they care about is when publicity which leads to financial loss.

MavisMcMinty · 13/06/2023 07:53

Outofthepark · 13/06/2023 07:52

No, the lesbian definition is as it stated in the original OP - bit only on one version. They have a 2nd version of the same page on their website with non offensive terms, using the word woman regularly. It's important to point this out, else when you complain they'll probably just try to fib you off with sending you a link to the non offensive one.

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Ah right, thanks.

Walkaround · 13/06/2023 07:53

And if you are one of the tiny number of people who would genuinely feel happier after taking hormones and having surgery to have the appearance of the opposite sex, because you feel infinitely more stable and happy that way, then that’s just fine, you can tell everyone you are a woman and be treated like a woman most of the time. But you can’t be a female athlete, because your biology disagrees with your psychology in a meaningful way. And you can’t deny the fact you might still get diseases related to your female biology, so you simply can’t refuse to accept that you cannot force everyone to change their vocabulary so as to avoid you having to admit that you were actually born male. And you definitely can’t say either men or women are “non-men.”

thebabessavedme · 13/06/2023 08:03

Perhaps its time for us 'non men' to stand up for our rights? As a non person I see no reason why I should pay tax, I don't exist, why on earth should we non men keep contributing to a society that does not see us? And not paying tax is just the start, as non men and therefore no use, we could stop being the unpaid carers etc. The men want our lives, they can have them!

Empowermenomore · 13/06/2023 08:05

@MavisMcMinty
”I can only assume the 3% saying YABU here are the same kind of people.”
Are they Man, non-man or non non-man?

You need humour to coupé with the Misogyny! But the truth is this sh*t is becoming law and you will have to refer to pretty much man with non-man feelings as a ‘she’ even if he has raped or bitten you up! Resist! Our daughters deserve better!

WhiteFire · 13/06/2023 08:23

MavisMcMinty · 13/06/2023 07:38

@Aprilx - I see from the glossary that “Cissexism: A belief that there are only two genders which are assigned at birth and immutable. This prejudice has been integrated into social systems and policies, which contributes to the discrimination and oppression of transgender, non-binary, and gender nonconforming people.”

And yes, their definition of “Lesbian” is exactly as detailed in the thread header.

Made up words aside, this just shows how the mixing of the words sex and gender doesn't even work in their own special language. Calls it cisSEXism, but then talks about gender.

Helleofabore · 13/06/2023 08:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2023 05:52

The process by which trans individuals choose to take a prescription of artificial hormones in order to physically/medically affirm their gender.

Goodness, how does that work then, it almost sounds like there is some typical physical body type they're associating with their "gender"? But I thought both men and non men could have any body type?

The inconsistency rings dissonance alarms everytime!

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/06/2023 08:33

the problem is the gender stereotyping, not the sex.

This - in spades! ♠♠♠♠♠

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/06/2023 08:38

WhiteFire · 13/06/2023 08:23

Made up words aside, this just shows how the mixing of the words sex and gender doesn't even work in their own special language. Calls it cisSEXism, but then talks about gender.

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Yep!

The inconsistencies are unbelievable.

I honestly can't understand how they don't see the flaws in their own argument - that anyone can be any "gender", no matter what their sex - but that people of one sex have to bow to the ones who choose a gender contrary to their biological bodies.

As normal, thinking people have said - that's fine! Be any gender you want - the world is your clownfish oyster!

But spaces/ sports etc are divided by SEX, not by the antics of the bunnies in your brain.

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/06/2023 08:50

Swrigh1234 · 13/06/2023 07:52

Make this go viral. These institutions don’t care about what’s right and wrong. They have been captured by a small band of dangerous Marxist extremists. They only thing they care about is when publicity which leads to financial loss.

It's working with Budweiser, Target and even Disney.

Harley-Davidson has snuggled up to Budweiser and is now starting to experience secondary backlash for that! HARLEY-DAVIDSON!!! - A bike company that is almost a religion in the USA.

Edinburgh Uni has lost donors because it renamed the David Hume tower because of a "racist" remark he made in the 17th century. We can't change the past - we can shape the future, and we HAVE to make sure that it's a shape that protects women and children.

Wokeness in all of its forms is really sickening people, and it seems that the only way to fight it is by starving it of cash

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/06/2023 08:56

MavisMcMinty · 13/06/2023 07:25

“Sex/gender assigned at birth” - I long for someone to say this to me IRL, so I can point out that sex is assigned at conception and observed at birth or in pre-natal scans. But gender-woo is slow to reach this bit of rural Devon, where most people understand the difference between, say, cows and bulls, or rams and ewes - these things matter in farming.

I feel so sorry for those beasts of the field - having to get on with reproducing without any idea of the notion of trans joy; being totally unaware of which of them are "male" and which are "female".

I expect they'll all be extinct soon, as they have no idea which other beast to mate with . . .

monsteramunch · 13/06/2023 08:56

@artichikeheart never came back to explain why it's ok to call women 'non-men' without calling men 'non-women' then...?

Thisistheendof · 13/06/2023 08:57

Swrigh1234 · 13/06/2023 07:52

Make this go viral. These institutions don’t care about what’s right and wrong. They have been captured by a small band of dangerous Marxist extremists. They only thing they care about is when publicity which leads to financial loss.

Please don't disparage Marxists in this way. You have no idea what you are talking about. This has fuck all to do with Marxism. For some idea of what British Marxists have to say on this subject have a look at their position on https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law/ This was widely reported and approved of, even on MN.

The Gender Recognition Bill and Equality Law - Communist Party of Britain

Communist Party executive committee STATEMENT March 2023 1 The GRR Bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament on 22 December, 2022. The Bill reforms the 2004 Gender Recognition Act (GRA) for Scotland only. It changes the process for obtaining a gender...

https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law

Outofthepark · 13/06/2023 09:01

@Thisistheendof makes an extremely good point. This has literally nothing to do with Marxism. Don't drag politics into it, it's just an easy and crap way to divide people and it's not accurate anyway.

Also don't drag woke into it either. Being woke means being awake to discrimination and the generally shit treatment of minorities and, well, maybe, anyone who isn't a white man, let's face it. It's a lazy term but hell I'm damn proud to be called woke if someone calls me that. You know what woke would fight for too? Women being called non-men!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/06/2023 09:16

Not sure how institutions like this & our own dear NHS, labour / lib dems etc can keep on literally erasing everything to do with women yet expect our votes & support?

douglasadamswasright · 13/06/2023 10:16

Wow, that's the first time I've thought to myself 'I'm a non-man'

Hahhaaa, I am not a non-man. I am a woman.

douglasadamswasright · 13/06/2023 10:17

So when this place has a drop down for your sex or gender... do they include "non-man" in that list?

If not, then how can they use that term in their glossary? They won't have any people identifying as it to count in their data?

Boulshired · 13/06/2023 11:32

This highlights the problem with sexual preference if you truly believe that sex is on some sort of spectrum.

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sugarrosepetal · 13/06/2023 13:33

Walkaround · 13/06/2023 06:36

It’s like a game of pretend. Everyone has to pretend men can be women and women can be men, and both can be neither, and that this is all hugely important. And that men are the centre of the universe, so that if there is another category, it has to be one that identifies that you are not a proper man - obviously, men can be proper women, though, more so than biological women, because men are better at everything.

Mental health issues are growing, not reducing, so it can hardly be argued this is helping anyone. Transexuals are transexuals. They are a different category of their own. Most of the time, they can live as the man or woman they see themselves to be, but not all the time - sometimes, they have to accept they are not the same as people of the opposite sex and have no right whatsoever to interfere with the words and safe spaces of those people. They have a right to acceptance and to be treated with dignity and to be afforded safe spaces too, though.

Society was in a better place when it was allowed to differentiate effectively between transexuals, transvestites and perverts with misogynistic fetishes and fantasies. Non-binary is just a load of narcissistic nonsense created as a consequence of insisting that fantasy is more important than reality. You are just a human being, like everyone else, and the vast majority of humans know exactly what sex they were at birth. There is no need to argue against that identity - the problem is the gender stereotyping, not the sex.

Yes! Exactly this!

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Channellingsophistication · 13/06/2023 13:56

@Walkaround very well said.

Menomidge · 13/06/2023 14:08

Absolutely agree with walkabout

TheFreaksShallInheritTheEarth · 13/06/2023 15:00

But gender-woo is slow to reach this bit of rural Devon, where most people understand the difference between, say, cows and bulls, or rams and ewes - these things matter in farming

It always makes me feel crass and stupid to point out that we're animals; that humans aren't special, just another - very successful - primate. Because it's so obvious it shouldn't need to be said.
With any other animal we just make a quick observation to note sex, e.g. big bovine with obvious dangly bollocks = bull (i.e male). We don't know or care how the creature feels.
But no, humans are special, apparently, and it's all about feelings not biology.

I can't believe some people can't see how ridiculous this is.

Outofthepark · 13/06/2023 15:45

Im a strong independent non-man 😂

God what a load of bollocks. Literally noone could ever say this term out loud, even the idiots who wrote it in the first place. It just sounds completely bat shit.

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 13/06/2023 17:11

MavisMcMinty · 13/06/2023 07:25

“Sex/gender assigned at birth” - I long for someone to say this to me IRL, so I can point out that sex is assigned at conception and observed at birth or in pre-natal scans. But gender-woo is slow to reach this bit of rural Devon, where most people understand the difference between, say, cows and bulls, or rams and ewes - these things matter in farming.

I've found this!

We all start out as females therefore anything after this should be non-females surely as we were this first?!

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 13/06/2023 17:13

@MavisMcMinty thank you! 😜🥂am on one now!