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to point out that one Y chromosome does not make you a male

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Nimbostratus100 · 06/04/2023 09:53

In response to other posts insisting that one genetic test and one Y chromosome makes an athlete indisputably male with no room for error, I just want to point out that it not true.

There is always genetic exchange, for example, between a mother and baby, so anyone who has had a son will still have Y chromosomes in some cells in their body, and that will possibly show up in a genetic screening.

I am all for keeping men out of women's sport, and defining them genetically, but please lets not go over the top - one test does not prove you are male

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TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 16:43

Nimbostratus100 · 06/04/2023 16:23

haha! I'm back, but not much point in answering any of this, as it is just the same things I've already answered being repeated over and over...

I dont think anyone scanning through this thread would have any difficulty identifying the ignorance and aggression that I was referring to though.

Still, I expect there are at least some readers who understand better now.

Eh?
You haven't answered anything and I, for one, am as much in the dark about the reason you started this thread as I was when I first read it.

MaireadMcSweeney · 06/04/2023 16:46

Bienemajas · 06/04/2023 14:34

To be fair the issue is really around athletes with DSDs who appear female from external genitalia but in fact have XY chromosomes and male puberty advantages.

What 'external genitalia' do they have while being male and having XY chromosomes?

46XY DSD
this is from the NHS website
People with this disorder can have female appearing genitals however they have much much higher levels of testosterone than a female so when they go through puberty they masculinise the way boys do.

to point out that one Y chromosome does not make you a male
TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 16:48

Ignorance and aggression?
Oh well. You said it, OP.

RegainingTheWill2023 · 06/04/2023 16:54

Nimbostratus100 · 06/04/2023 16:23

haha! I'm back, but not much point in answering any of this, as it is just the same things I've already answered being repeated over and over...

I dont think anyone scanning through this thread would have any difficulty identifying the ignorance and aggression that I was referring to though.

Still, I expect there are at least some readers who understand better now.

Glad to see you back OP.
It would be really helpful if you would tell us what your friend experienced and what aggressive reactions you witnessed?
As this thread stands, you have clarified nothing.

Merrymouse · 06/04/2023 17:05

dont think anyone scanning through this thread would have any difficulty identifying the ignorance and aggression that I was referring to though.

They would certainly notice the ignorance, but I think more than anything this thread is very, very funny. 😄

napody · 06/04/2023 17:13

SNWannabe · 06/04/2023 10:19

Ummm, if you've carried and birthed a baby boy...I would say that has cleared up any question of "are you male or female?" anyway...surely? I am not a geneticist though.

Mic drop.

Anytime there's dispute over an athlete's sex (e.g. caster semenya) it always turns out that they never had a period.

BMW6 · 06/04/2023 17:14

Still, I expect there are at least some readers who understand better now.

Oh I think it's safe to say just about every reader understands perfectly well thanks 😂

itsgettingweird · 06/04/2023 17:47

Calling · 06/04/2023 16:29

Ah, if the OP is a geneticist and a teacher, then OP could be a biology teacher. Nothing to worry about there.👩‍🏫

Except she says she's a maths teacher

itsgettingweird · 06/04/2023 17:49

Eh?
You haven't answered anything and I, for one, am as much in the dark about the reason you started this thread as I was when I first read it.

I think that is the point isn't it?

You can scream no one is listening and is being aggressive if you refuse to engage and everyone continues to prove you wrong.

It's basically winding people up and putting them into a room to argue with themselves and then calling them mad.

It's a well known tactic.

Except this room has hundreds of people disagreeing and the only 'win' is to play this game. 🤷‍♀️

Bienemajas · 06/04/2023 17:59

Still, I expect there are at least some readers who understand better now.

Not at all Grin

FourTeaFallOut · 06/04/2023 18:17

SNWannabe · 06/04/2023 10:19

Ummm, if you've carried and birthed a baby boy...I would say that has cleared up any question of "are you male or female?" anyway...surely? I am not a geneticist though.

🤣

SmartHome · 06/04/2023 18:50

LOL. So transparent. you havent answerd or explained anything, or even said what your point is. What is the point of this kind of activism? It just makes the OPs look brainwashed.

Shelefttheweb · 06/04/2023 20:30

You haven't answered anything and I, for one, am as much in the dark about the reason you started this thread as I was when I first read it.

I thought it was quite clear why OP started the thread; if it is impossible to tell some women from men then we should let men play women’s sport if they want to.

Furries · 06/04/2023 22:23

Nimbostratus100 · 06/04/2023 16:23

haha! I'm back, but not much point in answering any of this, as it is just the same things I've already answered being repeated over and over...

I dont think anyone scanning through this thread would have any difficulty identifying the ignorance and aggression that I was referring to though.

Still, I expect there are at least some readers who understand better now.

Am so glad that you put this thread in AIBU.

So yes, hopefully there are lots of readers who understand better now (thanks to all of those who have responded to your posts).

Just to clarify, as a reader, there was no ignorance or aggression in 99% of the posts (rough guess - I’m not a mathematician).

Happylittlechicken · 07/04/2023 00:55

My cat licked me!! Am I now part cat? This is truly truly the thread that keeps on giving

caringcarer · 07/04/2023 01:45

If a chromosome test on a female athlete showed a Y chromosome they could test another sample cell and also do a scan to look for internal organs, ovaries and a womb or testes either external or internal ones like Casta Semenya has.

SinnerBoy · 07/04/2023 02:45

Happylittlechicken · Today 00:55

My cat licked me!! Am I now part cat?

I wouldn't worry, unless you start pooing in the flowerbeds and scratching fence posts.

ZombieMumEB · 07/04/2023 04:46

caringcarer · 07/04/2023 01:45

If a chromosome test on a female athlete showed a Y chromosome they could test another sample cell and also do a scan to look for internal organs, ovaries and a womb or testes either external or internal ones like Casta Semenya has.

No No No!

That's not the story the TRA's want to tell.

They want to scare women into believing that every single female athlete will be subject to a genital inspection before each competition.

OMG12 · 07/04/2023 07:28

SNWannabe · 06/04/2023 10:19

Ummm, if you've carried and birthed a baby boy...I would say that has cleared up any question of "are you male or female?" anyway...surely? I am not a geneticist though.

You have won the argument really. I think this thread just shows exactly why we shouldn’t just blindly belief scientists- common sense should always prevail. Scientists have agendas too.

OMG12 · 07/04/2023 07:37

itsgettingweird · 06/04/2023 17:47

Except she says she's a maths teacher

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Maybe she’s a biology teacher who self identifies as a maths teacher on Thursdays??? Bloody hell, I can’t believe the bigotry here😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, all these Cis geneticists and Cis maths teachers excluding her from their specialist areas just because she doesn’t seem to have a clue.

TBH in all seriousness I’m concerned this person will be pushing this uneducated shit on kids.

Clymene · 07/04/2023 07:40

You're a geneticist? I thought you were a teacher

thegrain · 07/04/2023 07:41

SNWannabe · 06/04/2023 10:19

Ummm, if you've carried and birthed a baby boy...I would say that has cleared up any question of "are you male or female?" anyway...surely? I am not a geneticist though.

Ha! Thats so true

Clymene · 07/04/2023 07:41

Sorry see someone else has already said that. What a busy life you lead!

thegrain · 07/04/2023 07:42

Happylittlechicken · 07/04/2023 00:55

My cat licked me!! Am I now part cat? This is truly truly the thread that keeps on giving

Yes, yes you are.

Happylittlechicken · 07/04/2023 07:44

Awesome! Off to spend the day lounging around before demanding food. Stuff work, that’s for the non-cat people.