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Would you date a man who cross dressed?

576 replies

Supernova23 · 03/04/2023 09:06

Compatible in most ways but they admitted from the beginning they cross dressed. Would you?

OP posts:
Mixedberrygenderfluidmuffin · 03/04/2023 12:27

I love men with long hair, and New Romantic style flamboyant frills.
And years ago it wouldn't have bothered me - I found Eddie Izzard really attractive.

Now that autogynephiles are fighting for their right to wank in women's changing rooms and toilets, it would be a massive NO.

maranella · 03/04/2023 12:36

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:25

You could have gotten a lot of free pedicures out of that mate.

Shit! I didn't think of that Grin

SmugglersHaunt · 03/04/2023 12:36

No.

And NO again, but in capitals.

GremlinDolphin4 · 03/04/2023 12:38

No

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:42

Mixedberrygenderfluidmuffin · 03/04/2023 12:27

I love men with long hair, and New Romantic style flamboyant frills.
And years ago it wouldn't have bothered me - I found Eddie Izzard really attractive.

Now that autogynephiles are fighting for their right to wank in women's changing rooms and toilets, it would be a massive NO.

And rape women in hospitals and female prisons, and get their sports scholarship places, and win their sports prizes & prize money, and force their presence I to their rape and DV "refuges".

heathspeedwell · 03/04/2023 12:45

Don't be fooled into thinking he was 'decent' for letting you know about this fetish at the start. He probably mentioned this more socially acceptable kink to test your boundaries.

Given that paraphilias cluster, the likelihood is that he has other fetishes that would have come out further down the line when you were more invested in him and less likely to walk away. For example, I don't think it's a coincidence that so many men come out as trans after their wife has just given birth.

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:45

(and force parents to have intact males sleeping in the same room as their vulnerable girls at Guide camps).

scramblescrabble · 03/04/2023 12:45

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:23

Why the fuck is he even trying to date women?

He's need to go on some specialist fetish dating forum for the 0.0000001% of women who'd be ok with this. Why is he wasting women's time on mainstream sites.

Autogynephiles are always hetrosexual men which means they are sexually attracted to women. Many autogynephiles views themselves as lesbians, and dating a woman validates this.

This is what is behind many TiM's who insist TWAW - that they are women. It's about validating themselves as female, and being in a lesbian relationship is the ultimate. (See cotton ceiling).

OP needs to run a mile.

Cotton ceiling - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_ceiling

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:48

scramblescrabble · 03/04/2023 12:45

Autogynephiles are always hetrosexual men which means they are sexually attracted to women. Many autogynephiles views themselves as lesbians, and dating a woman validates this.

This is what is behind many TiM's who insist TWAW - that they are women. It's about validating themselves as female, and being in a lesbian relationship is the ultimate. (See cotton ceiling).

OP needs to run a mile.

Year I remember someone commenting that since the Wachowski.brother (matrix makers) who transitioned is now with a woman, he was apparently not just "a woman trapped in the body of a man, but also apparently a lesbian woman trapped in the body of man" (they were wtf'ing about it).

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:49

scramblescrabble · 03/04/2023 12:45

Autogynephiles are always hetrosexual men which means they are sexually attracted to women. Many autogynephiles views themselves as lesbians, and dating a woman validates this.

This is what is behind many TiM's who insist TWAW - that they are women. It's about validating themselves as female, and being in a lesbian relationship is the ultimate. (See cotton ceiling).

OP needs to run a mile.

Well then why is he targeting heterosexual women on dating sites?

(Not that I think his chances are any better with lesbian women).

scramblescrabble · 03/04/2023 12:53

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:49

Well then why is he targeting heterosexual women on dating sites?

(Not that I think his chances are any better with lesbian women).

Lesbians are the only sexual orientation that excludes biological men - lesbians are same sex-attracted, so the overwhelming majority, if not all, would never consider dating a TW or TiM, so he knows he has no chance. (This why many TW and TiM called lesbians genital fetishists.)

Easier to stick to a hetrosexual woman, one whom they might be able to manipulate, more so is she's one who subscribes to be kind.

Chocolatehippychick · 03/04/2023 12:57

No. Big turn off for me.

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:57

scramblescrabble · 03/04/2023 12:53

Lesbians are the only sexual orientation that excludes biological men - lesbians are same sex-attracted, so the overwhelming majority, if not all, would never consider dating a TW or TiM, so he knows he has no chance. (This why many TW and TiM called lesbians genital fetishists.)

Easier to stick to a hetrosexual woman, one whom they might be able to manipulate, more so is she's one who subscribes to be kind.

I think they know lots of women in the past who were relatively trapped financially and socially tolerates it because they couldn't leave easily and had a lot of social pressure to keep quiet about it and cover up.

They need a sharp lesson that society is that like that for many women any more.

(Though clearly is still to some extent from the number of beards that post on here and choose not to leave their husbands).

AprilFool23 · 03/04/2023 12:57

*They need a sharp lesson that society is that not like that for many women any more.

Greenfairydust · 03/04/2023 12:58

It would depend on the individual and how the cross-dressing is used.

I think people like the artist Grayson Perry and Philippa Perry seem to have a happy marriage and he openly cross-dresses.

But it would be different if this was the start of someone wanting to live as woman/transition. This would put me off.

As a child of the 90s, I have fond memories of Kurt Cobain in a dress :). It did not make him any less of a man.

Queenofscones · 03/04/2023 12:59

If he was stylish and arty and non-conformist like David Bowie or Harry Styles and he was confident in his male skin I might well give him a whirl. But if he's the kind of man who thinks he's a woman trapped in a man's body and wants people to believe he's a woman and if he dresses in women's underwear and makes a fetish of it no, not in a million years!

I would just be one of the female props in his living fantasy. How could he appreciate me, a living breathing thinking woman, if as far as he's concerned 'woman' is just lipstick and lingerie and skirts and heels? How insulting would that be?

Trollsinmyeggbox · 03/04/2023 12:59

Depends what they looked like when they did it.

SilentHedges · 03/04/2023 13:10

NO.

The reason I date men, is because I like men, the reason I like men is because they are masculine, so for them to cross dress in a feminine way is a total turn off. Not to mention cross dressing is now being used by men as a passport to enter womens spaces unchallenged. I have led a colourful and leftfield life, and I have spent an awful lot of time in fetish clubs (dancer), meeting all sorts of weird and wonderful people. I have a PhD in spotting issues. No thank you.

Naunet · 03/04/2023 13:11

Helenloveslee4eva · 03/04/2023 10:07

Let’s just gender flip this.
you are a woman who never wears dresses , like shirts and brogues, short hair . But you are a woman who identifies themselves as woman and entirely heterosexual. would you expect men to consider you a potential partner and date you - of course.

That feels very different doesn’t it ? Cultural norms and all that ,but women battled stereotypes until really recently to be accepted dressing like that.

as regards the OP I dunno. Probably not , but if my son wanted to wear a dress as a kid I’d shrug and say fill your boots boy in a dress.

very odd when you consider the different aspects of this. Confused feelings 😂😂

Oh yes, let’s all play pretend that a woman wearing jeans, is EXACTLY the same as a man wanting to wear women’s underwear during sex 🙄

Ive been with a man with a fetch for dressing a certain way for sex, NEVER EVER again. A fetish has to be a shared to work for a couple in my opinion.

susiesuelou · 03/04/2023 13:11

No no no no and NO. Way. Ever.

susiesuelou · 03/04/2023 13:12

The reason I date men, is because I like men, the reason I like men is because they are masculine, so for them to cross dress in a feminine way is a total turn off.

Hits the nail on the head for me.

OoooohMatron · 03/04/2023 13:14

God no

heathspeedwell · 03/04/2023 13:15

I think that for many men who cross dress, they are aroused because they see women as less powerful. It's absolutely rooted in misogyny.

We don't have to be kind about this kink.

If a white man had a kink for putting on blackface would any of us be kind about that?

TenoringBehind · 03/04/2023 13:23

Not a chance

HedgehogManager · 03/04/2023 13:30

I think some posters are tying themselves up in knots to justify crossdressing.
Crossdressing is obviously understood to mean wearing clothes that are stereotypically for the opposite sex according to your time, culture and society.

Bringing up jeans for women and kilts for men is ridiculous. The jeans and trousers argument is because it's been accepted as unisex for decades and kilts are the national dress for males in Scotland so the argument that it's just a garment is nonsense because the whole point of crossdressing is that they are wearing the clothes of the opposite sex, that is the whole point of crossdressing, to look like the opposite sex.

I agree that men who like crossdressing will be holding nefarious ideas about women and sexuality. I just don't want any part of that. I don't find soft looking men like Harry Styles attractive.