Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks

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My AIBU title taken from this news article:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beauty-students-asked-strip-front-29063499

This whole 'Isla Bryson' cluster-fuck has me angrier than I can describe.

These girls had to accept and trust this vile individual in their beauty course on the basis of Isla's claim to be a woman, nothing more. They even tolerated abuse from Isla.

They were not told this individual was facing charges of rape. The college claim they didn't know either. Because 'Isla' said he was a women, these young women felt they had no choice but to strip to virtually naked in front of him. Failing to do so would be 'bigoted'.

But he also happens to be a serial rapist. Young women, some possibly aged 16 or so, stripping to virtually naked while a serial rapist watches. If this was my daughter I would be going mad.

Where is the safeguarding?

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

A bit of me still hopes that the Labour Party will come to their senses on this before the next election. But I'm not holding my breath.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

They ought to be held to task for it. ALL of them.

Wow! The false logic on this thread this afternoon is a real site to see.

Who the fuck honestly believes ‘true equality’ is males and females getting naked in the same room?

No. Just no.

Equality is both sexes getting the safety and dignity that they need, when they need it.

And so much of the rest is ‘I’m alright Jack, you should be too!’

Rather fucked up reasoning when discussing feminist theory and women’s needs.

Who the fuck honestly believes ‘true equality’ is males and females getting naked in the same room?

Someone who wants to see women getting undressed when they don't want him to.

Your lack of boundaries suggests you’re happy to strip off in the street. Why do you think gyms have changing rooms rather than a load of lockers along the wall of the gym and glass fronted showers in the corner, because apparently you’re happy to strip off in front of anyone. I’m sure we used to have words like exhibitionist and flasher for this sort of behaviour. Probably now called clothes challenged.

We have sex-separated facilities because we don't live in an egalitarian utopia where everyone is treated respectfully; we have them because mixed sex space always becomes male-dominated space. Men don't dominate these spaces because of their sheer brilliance, they do it with the threat of their greater physical power. Any man who chooses to use women-only spaces is showing he is more likely to capitalise on this threat than other men.

I have seen this rhetoric recently before used on the FWR board. It will come to me soon who else has used that same fucked up bit of crap logic.

@Butchyrestingface go on?

Maybe the same people who keep telling us sex work is work and Only Fans is great for female 'empowerment'?

The problem is, of course, that even if all girls become black belts and built strength while the boys sat on their backsides and didn't do anything, is that the vast majority of males will still have far superior strength and be able to overpower women. Biology is a bitch that way!

And in instances where two professional athletes meet, it's still not a fair fight. Like good old Fallon Fox! A blast from the past for most of us, although for some on this thread this might be a new name.

Fallon is a biological male who transitioned and stepped into the MMA ring against a woman, subsequently fracturing the skull of their opponent. Fallon's opponent, (Tamikka Brents) described the fight:

“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch," Brents told Whoa TV.

But be kind everyone. Be kind.

The problem is, of course, that even if all girls become black belts and built strength while the boys sat on their backsides and didn't do anything, is that the vast majority of males will still have far superior strength and be able to overpower women

fair point

stupid argument however you cut it 😀

You utter wingnut.

You cannot both kill rapists and not be in any way afraid of them.

If you were not afraid of men and they were no threat, there would be no reason to kill them once they raped.

Fucking twat.

"I'll put rapists to death but segregating them by sex in prison is totally ridiculous."

TRA logic right there.

I'm so done with them.

Possibly MRA. After all, he specified "stranger rape", which we all know is the only kind of rape that those people think is real.

It's an MRA thing to enjoy putting people to death (they're the kind of people who just need a reason), but to recoil from any civilised sort of safeguard that protects women.

But is this not exactly what people are trying to change. I don't care if a man sees me naked, I don't care if a doctor is male or female. I don't feel threatened by men. The defining point of feminism is equality it's not an unfair advantage over men which is what people are advocating. I don't want to be treat different to men, I don't want woman to have to have a "safe" space away from men, what we want is a society where sex doesn't even come into it. Where it's fine to show some boob, chest, leg etc. I think the whole trans debated has highlighted how we still separate by sex when it isn't needed!

This is all Queer Theory claptrap... The theory based on a cringingly stupid interpretation of postmodernism, but with its tortured language and absurd mental gymnastics making university students feel really really really clever, as if they understand a complex philosophical argument that's way beyond the reach of ordinary folk. It makes me cringe. Some of us know enough about both postmodernism and feminism to recognise Queer Theory as a bastardised dumbed down version of both.

Ah, you're a handmaiden. Got it.

Indeed. I'm strong for a woman of my size and I've been strength training for well over 10 years. And yet spindly teen boys who are having their first forays into the gym will outlift me within weeks/months. If not on their first day. It can be a bit galling but that's biology. However, health permitting, I could grow a baby if I wanted to and feed them from my own body, no male can do that. Men and women are different in some key biological ways, which in some situations does require us to be treated differently and there is nothing wrong with that. It's called reality.

The only other possibility, of course, is that us women just aren't trying hard enough. I will be spending my evening pondering the question raised by Canada's women's powerlifting record holder in bench, Anne Andres who asked:

"Why is womens bench so bad? ...my son, he weighs 45lbs. His max bench is like 33. I'm legit seeing some women in competitions who are doing something like 50lbs and I just don't understand it."

I don't know, it's a bloody mystery what could be going on there which means both Anne and son seem to be so disproportionately stronger compared to those pathetic female competitors. Definitely time to call Poirot in to investigate.

Women must try harder or let men take over winning the women's competitions, so they can show us how it's done properly. Just like Anne.

Anne has won 8 of 9 competitions in the women’s 185+ category in the last 4 years. And in a July 2022 competition, Anne bench pressed 259 lbs over the woman who bench pressed the second most amount, 198.4 lbs.

I must ask for Anne's secret for success, so I can share it with my fellow female lifters. It is a brain teaser for sure.

People into Queer Theory, that's who.

The funny thing is, postmodern writers have no trouble telling men from women. They may destabilise everything else, but on that, they seem to be pretty clear. Martin Amis, John Fowles...they know what a woman is.

Oh, I know the answer to this one @Aroundtheriverbend ... Anne eats a balanced diet of special foods that works magic on the ephemeral essence of inner womanliness (secret diet of course, only a select handful of athletes know about it).

The problem is, of course, that even if all girls become black belts and built strength while the boys sat on their backsides and didn't do anything, is that the vast majority of males will still have far superior strength and be able to overpower women. Biology is a bitch that way!

Not to mention that absolutely no one who does self defence training would advise women to fight an attacker. The generally principle is to get away as fast as you can and retaliatory violence should only be used if you are confident it will create an opportunity to escape. Anything else would be escalation and a good way to get yourself killed when survival should be the priority.

I have a crystal clear memory of sitting in a seminar room at Uni discussing a postmodernist interpretation of race in a literature course. In the meanwhile, black students were rioting about the unfair treatment of a black kid by the police on the campus and I could see it all happening through the window of the room I sat in. The juxtaposition of the absolute intellectual wankery in the room I was in, and the raw race reality outside was profound. Thank god I 'got it' when I was young. There's a possibility @Grumpybutfunny will cringe in mortification one day and think, "Can't believe I actually said that". It's fine as a thought experiment, quite fun even, but that's all it is. Anyone who takes it more seriously than that is, well ... a bit stupid, I think.

This whole thing sickens me.
There was a case like this in America where the man was getting aroused in the lunch queue.
It disgusts me that women are put at further risk by these revolting people.
I don’t even want to think what would happen if a poor woman was locked in a cell with that thing.