Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks

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My AIBU title taken from this news article:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beauty-students-asked-strip-front-29063499

This whole 'Isla Bryson' cluster-fuck has me angrier than I can describe.

These girls had to accept and trust this vile individual in their beauty course on the basis of Isla's claim to be a woman, nothing more. They even tolerated abuse from Isla.

They were not told this individual was facing charges of rape. The college claim they didn't know either. Because 'Isla' said he was a women, these young women felt they had no choice but to strip to virtually naked in front of him. Failing to do so would be 'bigoted'.

But he also happens to be a serial rapist. Young women, some possibly aged 16 or so, stripping to virtually naked while a serial rapist watches. If this was my daughter I would be going mad.

Where is the safeguarding?

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

This has sod all to do with Bryson's trans status - would it have been any different if the situation was a cis man accused of rape enrolled on a beauty course? I've had a couple of male hairdressers and they must have done a hair and beauty course at college; it's not a female-only environment.

This has everything to do with a lack of information sharing between agencies; I'm surprised if the police aren't meant to share information about such charges where the individual in question is coming into contact with under 18s; certainly they would have had to if Bryson was a member of staff so it seems a bit of a loophole when the person in question is a mature student.

I had an email update about the response of this petition this morning.

I'm glad this is appearing in AIBU as issues like this are usually discussed in the Feminism thread, which while very informed and interesting often results in a bit of slanging match. I also read various opinions on Twitter, same thing happens. If you breathe a word against a trans person for any reason whatsoever, you're a Nazi. I think these things need to be discussed and debated widely.

I always said that trans rights was one of the greatest things that I'd seen in my lifetime, that people should be able to self identify; I remember racism and homophobia when I was young and how people's lives were ruined by it, and I saw transphobia in the same way. I think I was very wrong and its not the same at all

This has sod all to do with Bryson's trans status

Complete rubbish, the young women could have objected to a man seeing them in a state of undress, if they said they were uncomfortable with Bryson he would have called them a bigot.

He complained to the college as it was!

"We had next to nothing on and this was before Annie had been removed from the course. She hadn’t fully transitioned yet but we all accepted her for who she wanted to be. It was a complete and utter shock to the system to see what she had been convicted of."

This is how the "be kind" message is misused - young women are schooled into accepting a male bodied predator from a mix of fear of being called bigots mixed with years of socialisation to "be kind".

There is nothing kind in this, least of all to gender non conforming or actual trans people who are also poorly served by the homophobic and mens rights agendas using them as a shield.

Rubbish. He accused them of homophobia. No need tor the silly cis term. There aren’t subsets of men.

YANBU - it's horrific.

Beauty courses and trainings where the students undress to be models for each other are absolutely single sex at our local colleges. But nice attempt to blame the victims of this pervert.

Generalised hair and beauty courses where the course is mixed sex also exist - they don't require students to undress for practicals.

YANBU at all. Creating a culture where women and girls are afraid of acting on the evidence of their own eyes is puts us in danger. Shame on the self-ID bullies.

YANBU as soon as anyone can say they are a woman and organisations accept it, then all safeguarding goes out of the window.

We need to scream from the rooftops about this kind of shite.Honestly we owe it to every single real woman and girl out there.

I don't care anymore if i am called transphobic or anti trans or what ever jargon is the crap de jour . what an absolute disgrace this is.I am so raging!

Yeah. Sorry Hanger. It is not the same at all.

janeclarejones.com/2018/09/09/gay-rights-and-trans-rights-a-compare-and-contrast/

However; the fight for LGB rights has been leveraged as being ‘just like trans rights’ so that people don’t look at what has been demanded from society.

Many people like to downplay the number of lesbian rights campaigners are actively involved and spokespeople for making sure sex is prioritised where it is needed. Some will come up with convoluted reasoning that these lesbians are not doing it for ‘lesbians’ and should somehow then have their voices dismissed.

It is bizarre to see the conversations unfold.

However, LGB people wanted ‘equality’ and wanted no more of people except to not be persecuted. Some extreme trans activists (some not even are trans themselves) demand that people believe what are effectively lies and put women and children at risk because some males think they should have female risk profiles used on their assessments for safeguarding.

As far as I can see, trans rights activists are pretty much just men’s rights activists.

They have campaigned to ensure that men like this need only say the three magic words, “I’m a woman”, and they are immediately granted access to women’s bodies, whether those women consent or not. In prisons, hospital wards, changing rooms, and now even in educational settings.

Under this ideology, women have no right to say they don’t want these men to have access to their bodies. To do so is “transphobic”. They have to either tolerate being used as a prop in a man’s fantasy, or stay at home and not participate fully in public life. Nothing else is acceptable to the ideologues.

It really is a form of male supremacy, where men must get their demands met and women who aren’t fully on board with that are pushed out of society.

This has sod all to do with Bryson's trans status.

Not true. He was getting these young women to call him she. Pronouns change our perception, lower our defences, react differently. Pronouns are Rohypnol.

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/
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This has sod all to do with Bryson's trans status - would it have been any different if the situation was a cis man accused of rape enrolled on a beauty course? I've had a couple of male hairdressers and they must have done a hair and beauty course at college; it's not a female-only environment.

Sure and they would all be allowed into rooms where the female students were stripping off. What parallel universe do you live on?

Allowing any man to hide his previous identity in order to access women they would not otherwise get near is very much a loophole created by trans ideology.

If the Scottish government gets its way, any man with £5 can change his birth certificate by obtaining a GRC and erase his previous identity with no gatekeeping or background checks whatsoever.

If Caroline Nokes or Keir Starmer gets their way this will happen in the rest of the UK. It happens already but there is an attempt at gatekeeping with the medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria being a requirement but only a tiny number of applicants are refused.

Situations like the subject of this thread will be impossible to prevent as the rapist will have the backing of the law (and a female birth certificate that he can s
wave around if challenged).

Criminals are already catching on to this unbelievable opportunity. The question is, how many women will be harmed before we stop it?

Yes. We need to teach girls to be able to speak out when they are uncomfortable and state their boundaries.

It's a hugely dangerous situation when women and girls feel unable to say they are not happy about a situation for fear of being attacked.

It's a terrifying time to be female. This hideous dystopian nightmare has been encroaching for a decade. It's now in plain sight and they are getting increasingly bolder.

Rape is already de facto legal. We have woeful conviction rates for sexual crimes (overwhelmingly perpetrated by males). Now the few convicted offenders who are brought to book are insinuating themselves into a situation - sanctioned by the state - analogous to a weasel in a hen coop. And there are more where he came from.

The whole system is failing women entirely. It's a gargantuan clusterfuck of apologism for predatory abusers.

YANBU OP.
Absolutely sick and tired of this utter bullshit.
Pathetic do gooders offering our daughters up on an Altar of sacrifice to “be kind” and fucking Trans Rights.

I don’t give a fuck who I offend. My priority will always be the safety of my DD and her peers as well as my own. Fuck this shit.

On another note I’m glad that fucking disgusting abomination of a MAN has been moved and I hope it enjoys its time in a MALE prison.

Sturgeon can fuck right off as well. It would be bad enough for men to push through this self ID bullshit but the fact a woman did it makes this even more sickening.

If all the above makes me a TERF then so be it - I’ll wear that badge with pride now. Fuck these pricks in their respective Governments and fuck the idiots who push this shitty agenda on us non stop. Pleased to see the world is waking up to the reality that women’s rights are being erased - not just in obvious places like the Middle East and the USA but right here on our doorstep too!!

Women have been saying for YEARS that if you include "a group of men we can't really define" in your definition of women, then you include all men - rapists and all.

People have been fighting for the word "woman" to continue meaning "female with any personality or level of femininity" and feel outraged that it's been informally changed to mean "male or female with certain characteristics that we don't want to explicitly list because it'd be immediately obvious it's a set of regressive, sexist stereotypes".

Yet here we are because not enough people with power or influence could bring themselves to be honest.

That makes me feel sick for those poor girls.

Very well said!

The whole of that article refers to a convicted male rapist as 'she' and 'her'. No GRC just decided during the trial that they were a 'woman' and lo and behold the whole world is pandering to pronoun police. A fucking rapist.

Girls in some schools are getting the same message as these young women. That they have no right to privacy when changing for swimming in front of Michael who now says he's Michelle and insists on using girls single sex spaces. Some schools hold the line and make Michelle change separately - and some believe that he's magically changed sex and can undress with the girls. 😟

The tide appears to be turning (I hope!).

MN is leaving these threads standing rather than hiding them away in FWR or deleting them. This is very recent.

There are more stories that have already been out and ignored for years, all highlighting the dismantling of safeguards for children and women. Most weeks another incident is reported like this, from somewhere in the modern world. Hopefully people are now waking up.