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Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks

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scratchedbymycat · 27/01/2023 12:42

My AIBU title taken from this news article:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beauty-students-asked-strip-front-29063499

This whole 'Isla Bryson' cluster-fuck has me angrier than I can describe.

These girls had to accept and trust this vile individual in their beauty course on the basis of Isla's claim to be a woman, nothing more. They even tolerated abuse from Isla.

They were not told this individual was facing charges of rape. The college claim they didn't know either. Because 'Isla' said he was a women, these young women felt they had no choice but to strip to virtually naked in front of him. Failing to do so would be 'bigoted'.

But he also happens to be a serial rapist. Young women, some possibly aged 16 or so, stripping to virtually naked while a serial rapist watches. If this was my daughter I would be going mad.

Where is the safeguarding?

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

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TangledWebOfDeception · 27/01/2023 21:57

It’s not said often enough but it’s not (just) the fact that they might be predators. I don’t want a man in women’s spaces. Full stop. I don’t want to pretend a man is a woman.

This.

I WILL NOT COMPLY WITH YOUR LIE.

Our daughters, our mothers, our sisters...they, WE, have a right to privacy, dignity and protection.

I WILL NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN.

I WILL NOT play this game.

’When sleeping women wake, mountains move’

They can’t jail us all.

DdraigGoch · 27/01/2023 21:59

heathspeedwell · 27/01/2023 18:40

I think it's pretty close to victim blaming to try to suggest the college is at fault for not knowing that he had been charged with two counts of rape. I'm sure all the staff who had to work with him had a lot of sleepless nights wondering how on earth to deal with him without losing their jobs.

It's also unfair to blame the students for choosing a course that inevitably involves states of undress. It's impossible to wax the bikini line of a fully-dressed woman.

I would say that the college was at fault for allowing a man to join a course which should have been exclusively female.

DdraigGoch · 27/01/2023 22:01

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/01/2023 17:34

Beauticians tend to work alone in single rooms

Which. of course, makes the client massively more vulnerable.

For that matter, the beautician is pretty vulnerable too. Wasn't there a legal case in Canada revolving around a male client (identifying as a "woman") who wanted to force migrant female beauticians to perform intimate waxes?

EsmaCannonball · 27/01/2023 22:01

Remember Jessica Yaniv, the creepy Canadian man who repeatedly targeted immigrant beauticians, mostly operating out of their own homes, and then sued them if they wouldn't wax his male genitalia? There will have been women who gave in to his demands because they were afraid of him, of legal action or their income being targeted by TRAs. I wonder how many of these girls and women will qualify as beauticians and then face situations in Sturgeon's Scotland where pervert men will utilise self-id to bully them into providing intimate services?

EsmaCannonball · 27/01/2023 22:03

IIRC, Yaniv used Facebook to target women who were working from home.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/01/2023 22:04

And immigrant women Esma, who often had poor english, and were bvery afraid of the authorities even though they were legally in the country, because they had a fear of uniformed men.

BornBlonde · 27/01/2023 22:07

This is just awful

IcakethereforeIam · 27/01/2023 22:15

Please, if you haven't already, follow the link to sign and share the petition to clarify the Equality Act. We need 100k signatures to get a debate.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

blubberyboo · 27/01/2023 22:46

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 21:02

I'm standing right beside you @FOJN on every single word.

@FOJN

this post right here is the kind that needs to make it into the Daily Mail and every other fucking paper and news site in the land

ill bet instead we’ll see a stolen post circulating called “my cousin stole my babies name” while the real important message is squashed.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 27/01/2023 23:05

Jessica Yaniv is now known as Jessica Simpson apparently ?! I appear to have fallen down a rabbit hold this evening.

Butchyrestingface · 27/01/2023 23:07

IcakethereforeIam · 27/01/2023 22:15

Please, if you haven't already, follow the link to sign and share the petition to clarify the Equality Act. We need 100k signatures to get a debate.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

Unfortunately I can't. I work in Wokes-Ville to the power of 10, and even 'liking' a JKR post on Twitter would potentially be disasterous.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 23:12

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 27/01/2023 23:05

Jessica Yaniv is now known as Jessica Simpson apparently ?! I appear to have fallen down a rabbit hold this evening.

Why Is he changing it again to Jessica Rabbit?🐇

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 27/01/2023 23:25

Butchyrestingface · 27/01/2023 23:07

Unfortunately I can't. I work in Wokes-Ville to the power of 10, and even 'liking' a JKR post on Twitter would potentially be disasterous.

This is what boils my blood. That you aren’t even allowed to essentially voice what a woman is as you could get into trouble at work over it. Madness.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 27/01/2023 23:25

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 23:12

Why Is he changing it again to Jessica Rabbit?🐇

That’s next week 🤪

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 23:26

That is one hell of a newspaper headline👇

Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks
FOJN · 27/01/2023 23:33

That is one hell of a newspaper headline

I have a vague recollection when this story first broke that the man at the center of the story thought that prison officers should change his nappy for him.

No one has yet explained why it's reasonable to expect prison officers to hold this man's hand but not release him from prison.

If you believe it's his human right to be recognised as a small child then why is he still locked up?

Of course none of the people making these degrading demands of prison officers believe that this man is a child but they are indulging him because they don't have to make any sacrifice to do it.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 23:48

Don't know why out chopped half off t was there when i pressed preview

Let's try again

Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks
RichardBarrister · 27/01/2023 23:51

This is very interesting richard thank you for sharing, many of us I’m sure won’t have been aware of this. If you don’t mind me asking, who do you think is ultimately behind this movement and why? I have been going back and forth on this for so long now, wondering who the puppet masters really are, who in government really wants this etc.

You’re welcome - it is so important for us all to get the word out there. The strategy has been to make these significant and harmful changes to society by stealth. Their aim was to get the law changed for self id before anyone realised what was going on. This worked in Ireland and now Irish women are experiencing the consequences.

As to your question about who and why, there are many different people who are pushing this for a number of different reasons.

Money seems to be quite a big factor for some - the Lib Dem’s have taken large donations and some Labour politicians have taken all expenses paid trips from pharmaceutical companies that make puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and the trans medicine market has grown exponentially to $billions over the last few years.

Governments set aside £millions for ‘Diversity & Inclusion’ which is distributed into organisations on condition that they support gender ideology by the LGBT Consortium, a powerful organisation that dictates these terms. There are some influential champions in the House of Lords and the Commons. The Government Equalities Office and many other government departments signed up to Stonewall’s Diversity Champions scheme and allowed their policies to be dictated by Stonewall. They wanted to be seen as good inclusive employers but they allowed Stonewall and others a huge amount of influence.

Politics is obviously an important factor in Scotland and highly motivated activists with a personal interest in pushing Queer Theory into schools and onto young people, possibly because they are easier to convince.

The QT side is hugely concerning and facilitates men like those I have mentioned in my previous comments. They have an interest in breaking down our normal boundaries in society, between the sexes and across age groups. Stonewall, activist teachers and ‘education’ charities are in schools teaching children that gender identity is more important than sex and that it is not ok for girls and boys to have boundaries of privacy from each other.

There are many different people with a variety of motivations, I’ve just scratched the surface here - the capture is deep across thousands of organisations. The common feature is that it is all to the detriment of women and children.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 23:53

And so the lying continues

Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks
Sugarfree23 · 27/01/2023 23:59

As much as I haven't quite forgiven the Daily Mail for lifting one of my threads twisting it and publishing it in 2019.

I might actually buy a paper to show my support to them for lifting the lid on this shite.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/01/2023 23:59

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Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 00:01

That was a quick one@IcakethereforeIam

EsmaCannonball · 28/01/2023 00:10

Meanwhile, in California a 17 year old girl who spoke out about emerging from the showers in a YMCA locker room to find herself confronted by a 66 year old naked man has been publically labelled a 'little witch' by that man. At a public meeting another man likened her to a 'creepy little voyeur.' Surprise, surprise, the naked man turns out to have a dodgy internet history. How can people not see the endgame here?

Link to Reduxx Magazine Article

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 00:12

I just put a post with [email protected] in, it wasn't even a link. I think the AI must automatically flag it. If a real human person looks at it I think it'll be restored. No great loss either way.

greenteafiend · 28/01/2023 00:14

I find the names that autogynephiliacs choose to give themselves are so.... revealing about their preferences.

"Isla," for goodness' sake? Darkgreener suggests that Islas in the UK probably have a median age of about 7, with almost none over the age of 18.
names.darkgreener.com/#isla

I mean, if you really DID think you were an early-30s white British woman, you'd call yourself Kate or Laura or something.

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