To be depressed and angry that sex offenders will be able to “change gender”

[Ramblingnamechanger]

Following last nights vote by MSPs to reject an amendment to forbid sex offenders from accessing easier access to a GRC, it seems that womens rights to privacy and decency , same sex care , etc is not important. They are still to vote on the whole bill but until the legalities are clearer, surely this cannot be acceptable?

[RufustheFloralmissingreindeer]

You are not being unreasonable

and if the posters saying that you are unreasonable could post why that’s the case maybe it would put peoples mind at rest

i doubt it will happen though

[Flurbegurb]

It's utterly disgraceful and a massive shit show.

My MSP has stood up for their convictions and voted against their party, I let them know I appreciate it, must be a really hard position to be in.

Totally disastrous consequences.

[Rainbowshit]

It's an absolute disgrace. Shame on those MSPs who prioritised sex offenders feelings over female safety.

[Hardpillow]

You are definitely not unreasonable, it's crazy. The whole bill is crazy.

[RambamThankyouMam]

This is what we've been talking about and fighting against on the Feminism section. Now maybe people will understand the issues and not resort to calling us transphobes and bigots.

[AutumnCrow]

Why the fuck hasn't Westminster stepped in yet?

[knittingaddict]

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer

You are not being unreasonable

and if the posters saying that you are unreasonable could post why that’s the case maybe it would put peoples mind at rest

i doubt it will happen though

I agree.

At least one person thinks the op was unreasonable. I would love to know why.

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

You’re definitely not unreasonable

I mean how much internalised misogyny must a female MSP have to vote against an amendment like that

[Entwifery]

They would still be sex offenders, no? It wouldn't wipe them off the sex offender registry. Don't see what difference it makes.

[FOJN]

I'd quite like to know who the Scottish government thought they were protecting? Have we really reached the point where a sex offenders feelings (or lies?) are more important than safeguarding?

What's also depressing is that this thread won't last 5 minutes on AIBU and that alone should make people wonder what the hell is going on.

These are the types of offenders the Scottish government is intending to assist in concealing their identities and past crimes so that they have the opportunity to offend again without pesky safeguarding getting in the way. They will then be housed in women's prisons.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/this-never-happens

[MissLucyEyelesbarrow]

@AutumnCrow

Why the fuck hasn't Westminster stepped in yet?

Never interrupt your enemy in the course of making a mistake.

It's brilliant for the Tories - the attention paid to self-ID in the leadership contest in the summer shows that they have totally grasped that this is a wedge issue with the potential to alienate naturally left-leaning voters from supporting Labour/the Libdems/the SNP. They just have to sit back and watch.

Of course, it's shite for women, but who cares, if it wins you a few votes in marginal seats?

[ImperfectAlf]

@Rainbowshit

It's an absolute disgrace. Shame on those MSPs who prioritised sex offenders feelings over female safety.

Totally agree with this.

I'm not in Scotland, but I'm still fucking angry about it.

[FOJN]

@Entwifery

They would still be sex offenders, no? It wouldn't wipe them off the sex offender registry. Don't see what difference it makes.

Their NAME will be on the sex offenders register which is FA use if they went on the register John Smith and are now identifying as Joanna Smith and they have the documents to prove their new identity.

The issue is that the offender is responsible for declaring all previous names but there is no proposed mechanism for marrying all their names and crimes together for the purpose of carrying out effective DBS checks. The Scottish government are relying on criminals to be honest. What could go wrong?

[ErrolTheDragon]

@Entwifery

They would still be sex offenders, no? It wouldn't wipe them off the sex offender registry. Don't see what difference it makes.

Where they are jailed, for a start.
Victims might be forced to refer to them as if they were women.

The prison service (amongst other things) must be reinstated to be single sex as should always have been the case.

[ImperfectAlf]

@FOJN

Came to say exactly this.

[Rainbowshit]

@Entwifery

They would still be sex offenders, no? It wouldn't wipe them off the sex offender registry. Don't see what difference it makes.

Will the record on the register be changed to match their new name and sex marker? 🤔 Nice for them to have a new identity to hide behind don't you think, when the conviction and any associated press coverage will likely be in their "deadname" and "prior sex".

[Member869894]

A sex offender is a sex offender whatever the gender, surely?Rose West , along with many other female offenders, is a danger to women in a female prison and no less of a danger . Don't see the issue really

[Abhannmor]

@Entwifery

They would still be sex offenders, no? It wouldn't wipe them off the sex offender registry. Don't see what difference it makes.

The difference is these male rapists could be sent to a women's prison.

[SomeCommonThing]

@Member869894

A sex offender is a sex offender whatever the gender, surely?Rose West , along with many other female offenders, is a danger to women in a female prison and no less of a danger . Don't see the issue really

Rose West can't rape inmates.
Someone like "Karen" White on the other hand...

[Rainbowshit]

@Member869894

A sex offender is a sex offender whatever the gender, surely?Rose West , along with many other female offenders, is a danger to women in a female prison and no less of a danger . Don't see the issue really

Wow. You really can't see the issue with locking up a male sex offender alongside fresh female victims rather than alongside other males? Heard of Karen White?

Females rarely sex offend and Most females who sex offend, such as Rose West, do so at the behest of males.

[Flurbegurb]

@Member869894

A sex offender is a sex offender whatever the gender, surely?Rose West , along with many other female offenders, is a danger to women in a female prison and no less of a danger . Don't see the issue really

Rose West didn't have a penis or change their name. Any one with two brain cells should not be defending fucking sex offenders.

[JackieDaws]

@Member869894

A sex offender is a sex offender whatever the gender, surely?Rose West , along with many other female offenders, is a danger to women in a female prison and no less of a danger . Don't see the issue really

Are you saying women in prison deserve to have rapists housed with them, and if they're raped then it's just tough?

[Rainbowshit]

Surprise surprise this has been moved.

[FOJN]

@Member869894

A sex offender is a sex offender whatever the gender, surely?Rose West , along with many other female offenders, is a danger to women in a female prison and no less of a danger . Don't see the issue really

99% of sex offenders are male, most survivors of sexually assault/abuse/rape are female. Most violent crimes are commited by men.

The MOJ figures are readily available to prove this.

Males are bigger and stronger than females. A female stands a better chance of defending herself against another female than a man.

I can't fucking believe I need to spell it out.

[FOJN]

Moved? Oh FFS Mumsnet.